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you know there's explanation for

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it wasn't involvement aliens at all it

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over our head it's so a classic

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flying-saucer really standing in the

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clearing he turned over to my father and

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held his hand and he looked in his eyes

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and said we're not alone welcome to

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podcast UFO for our live show we're live

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every Wednesday at 8 p.m. Eastern

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to the show I'm Martyn Willis your host

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and guess what Thanksgiving my favorite

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holiday is tomorrow in the United States

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so if you celebrate Thanksgiving I hope

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you have a happy and a wonderful

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Thanksgiving it's also I can't believe

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this it's the 6-year anniversary TONIGHT

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of our show I'm having a little trouble

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getting to chat room to the chat room so

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I should be in there sooner or later if

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I figure this whole thing out our guest

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this evening is Jeremy Korbel he will be

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discussing his great new documentary

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film patience 17 I watched it on iTunes

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and I highly recommend it it's a great

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movie he's very well done I'm going to

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talk a little bit about that before our

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guests we have Alejandro Rojas with UFO

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updates and before I forget I've

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mentioned a number of times on the show

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even as late as last week with Lee

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Spiegel that a friend of mine at an

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auction house had an early UFO triangle

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sighting so I talked to her last week

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and I recorded it so I'm going to be

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playing that clip coming up when I

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introduced Alejandro into the show

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little housekeeping though I sent out a

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newsletter today there is going to be

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some changes coming up as I mentioned

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last week I had bitten off

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more than I could chew with the Monday

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night of the everything else show if I

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was retired it would matter at all

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but I do have to make a living and I

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have a very full plate it's actually

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overflowing at this point so it's really

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really hard and very stressful to me to

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do the Monday show so as it is I plan my

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shows on Wednesdays to stay home you

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know that's what I do as far as IO take

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chat room there for listeners as well as

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phone screening a phone screening system

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that I can use actually for those of you

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who are listening right now live on

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YouTube well I hope that you will move

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figure out if there's any way that I can

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will be making a formal announcement

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through one of my newsletters and you

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right-hand sidebar you just have to pop

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in your email and that's it and confirm

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it I think when I first announced I was

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supporters some supporters weren't happy

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topic now and then on my regular podcast

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you have you know podcast UFO shows

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maybe once a month or something like

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that now I'm gonna make sure the main

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focus of the show is UFOs for all those

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people who have been supporting me right

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from the beginning I've been hearing

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from a lot of you lately and thank you

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so much for your support I really do

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appreciate it lastly there will be some

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show breaks and Alejandro is gonna be

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joining me for the first 25 minutes

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seizures are gone for 15 minutes so this

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listen to the show as a podcast you'll

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breaks that's it you won't hear any

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commercials or anything like that I hope

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you all understand I'm trying to do this

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for the good of the show to gain a wider

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audience and so that's it for me and

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that's certainly enough a lot to swallow

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Alejandro how are you doing I am doing

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well sorry for the pause I had to unmute

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oh yes that's right

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a mutiny alright hey I 100 me yes I look

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and I have a guest like you said it's a

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holiday so family comes in I didn't any

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some people I see like you're gonna have

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to move a little bit more there he is

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who's that hello alright that is my

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cousin Jason hi Jason welcome to the

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show he's on the easy nursery

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Thanksgiving show we get it all going

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tonight yeah when I began my paranormal

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adventures he was my buddy

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My partner oh really and a sidekick no

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more than a sidekick yeah more like a

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partner well some kick is good you

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blazed the trail alright I went so I've

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been talking about this UFO triangle

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sighting so Alejandro you don't mind if

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I play it in the beginning here before

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the newest do you now this sounds

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interesting I'm excited to hear it

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a pre-recorded clip alright so this is a

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pre-recorded segment and I'm with my

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good friend Kathy now I have told this

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story a number of times and I wanted to

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get it straight from her because you

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never know how memory works but uh so

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Kathy welcome to show and Kathy so I I

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was at the auction gallery and I was

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cataloging I believe and somehow you saw

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that I did a show on YouTube online how

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did that happen I believe it's something

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that you know John yeah you know John

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was telling me about and I think you

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sent a link to somebody about something

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and I started watching it and that was

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pretty interesting and I think I told

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you I had a very yes so that's why

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you're on the show so you're not someone

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that normally pays attention to UFO

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shows or anything like that but you I

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remember you coming out to the gallery

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and said hey I had a UFO experience so

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can you tell the listening audience

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exactly what happened and first of all

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start out what year was that you know

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something I was trying to remember that

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after I had spoken to you a little bit I

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think I was 18 years old right around me

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it was it was like 1975 1976 right

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around Mia okay and we live in its which

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were going shopping to Beverly this is

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in Massachusetts by the way for the

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listener yep and he has a little

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shortcut that you can take it's called

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Mill Road mm-hm

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so we would cut through there to get um

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180 or a highway it was like a little

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back road so it's my mom and my aunt

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Winnie so right my mom just passed she

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was 86 and my aunt Winnie is still alive

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she's 90 and I was with my cousin Judy

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and we were driving down the road and it

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was very much farmland there very few

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houses and we got you this one spot and

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it was a very very open field and all of

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a sudden we were like when we were

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driving we were kind of noticing these

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lights and they would different colors

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like red I don't remember exactly the

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colors but like I know a yellowish red I

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don't think there was like blue but they

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were they were very very bright lights

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shaped in like a triangle

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okay oh yeah it was probably I'm gonna

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winter time so it was dark earlier

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yeah so we are going down the road and

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seeing these rights and I kept saying to

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my mother oh my God look in there is an

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airport there Beverly Airport and I kept

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saying mom oh my God look at that thing

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in the sky my mother's like you know be

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quiet it's just a plain nice a month

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that is not a plane I said it's very

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very low so when we got to the clearing

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of the field my aunt when he pulled over

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and we rolled down the windows and this

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thing was just like hovering he was

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hovering over us and there was you could

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see like a shape but not really a shape

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don't explain it and I got out of the

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time my mother's I get in the time I'm

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like oh my god it was like literally no

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noise no nothing and the huge option

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object was just hovering over us total

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silence was it right now you know the

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silence part the silence part is the

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part that always gets me so was this

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like right exactly over your car right

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over I passed my mom was having like a

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nervous breakdown and all of a sudden I

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just and went just shut until we would

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you it just shot it just left it shot

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off so we were like oh my god like we

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were really like oh my god what was that

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my mom was convinced you know oh stop

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thinking it was something bad and I'm

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like mom he was no sense like that was

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something really weird so we went

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shopping went about our business and

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we're coming home and when we came home

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we went the same way was going really

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slow to kind of look and then

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next day it was on frontpage I believe

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it was either the Ipswich Chronicle of

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the Salem news that I was not doing we

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were not the only people that saw that

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several people saw it right when it was

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on the front page of the newspaper

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somebody had taken a picture I don't

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know with what we didn't have cell

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phones or anything back then and it was

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a picture of this thing exactly how we

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saw it in the paper

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excellent now my story that is wonderful

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thanks so much and I'm wondering if a

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lot of times you can nail down you know

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the if you can't really remember the

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year that makes it tough now I don't

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know if you can talk to your aunt and if

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she may be able to remember the year

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that happened but a lot of times you can

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go back and you can research these

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things and I'm actually gonna pass this

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information along to someone that does

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investigation on triangle UFO s because

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1975 is fairly early you don't hear of a

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lot of them that early so it was like 75

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76 its rate in that time because I was

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still living at home yeah I talked to my

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aunt about it and she said that she

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remembered the life and you know she

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goes oh yeah I remember that

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and we talked about it a little bit but

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she didn't remember I cuz I said when he

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really what do you remember where we

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were go with like said II know we were

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going shopping to Beverly I said but you

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like remember where we were going and

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she said no she goes oh my god I can't

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believe you remembered that yeah well

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excellent Cathy thanks so much all right

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you're welcome all right and talk to you

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later thank you

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alright so Alejandra we're back I don't

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know if your muted again but you want to

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unmute so what do you think of that

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that's an early triangle because Taha

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talked to Lee last week and he said his

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1978 1978 I think it's when he had his

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was early very early for a triangle yeah

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yeah I mean that is pretty early

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although you know David marler who wrote

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the book on triangle UFOs literally he

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has some going back he I think into 1800

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so yeah

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right I know in the beginning but if

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they were very infrequent you know after

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you know in this 70's anyway I mean I

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think there's only a handful of them

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yeah you're right it wasn't until

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especially Belgium that they got really

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big and you know what's interesting

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about them and we've talked about this

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before but is that it does seem that

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triangular sightings are more blatant

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you know out of all the sightings out

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there when people report you know more

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than any other type of craft the

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triangles are right over the car or you

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know very visible and I think that's

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fascinating now I talked to Tom DeLonge

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about this and it's funny because you

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know speaking about Tom DeLonge last

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week you know your your listener asked

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me that question but Tom DeLonge says

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that's the case because those are

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definitely all ours because in his

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scenario you know they've developed this

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technology in order to keep the bad

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alien to a type of thing but I don't

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know you know otherwise I've talked to

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people who have seen them who are

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certain that they're not all ours and

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you know Bob Bigelow did a report with

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the National Institute of Discovery

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Sciences and they determined that

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they're not ours at all and all 19 so

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it's really hard the same 1975 I

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couldn't imagine that we'd have that

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technology in 1975 and see that's a

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great point that's a good argument even

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in the late 80s when they started seeing

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him in Belgium the technology that they

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would have something like that it's hard

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to believe it would seem we would we

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would know something about it after all

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this time you know be I mean people like

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Stan Friedman will say you know a secret

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can be kept but I really don't think if

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we had something military going all the

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way that back far that that you know

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back as far as that that it could be

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kept secret that long I mean maybe yeah

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I mean someone asked well I mentioned

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you know Tom DeLonge if like I said last

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week I'm not as interested I am

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interested you know speculation we all

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speculate and he's got some interesting

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ideas and and that's what these all are

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our ideas I think until we can prove

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otherwise so even with Tom I mean it's

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an interesting idea and it answers that

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question as to why there so I mean Lee

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Spiegel sighting was completely obvious

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you know right above all these police

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officers and everything it was so

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blatant and if they are ours maybe that

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would be the case you know that reminds

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me

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Jason's dad had a really cool sighting

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like that and Aspen do you want to hear

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about that yeah from from Jason do you

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wanna yeah I want to say it Jason what

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happened sure you're gonna have to say

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ID over a little bit can you see him

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yeah see me can you hear me yeah I can

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hear you yeah you do need to get near

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hi alright so it was a 1987 and we were

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living it was actually in between Aspen

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and Glenwood Springs a town called

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basalt and he my dad told us about a

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situation that happened when we were we

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were there in the mountains and my mom

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and I had fallen asleep and he was

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fighting fighting the desire to fall

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asleep too and then all of a sudden he

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was woken up because there was a all the

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power went out and he looked outside and

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he saw that the streetlights had gone

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off and keep in mind this is a very

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rural area this is not in a town this is

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just a kind of little apartment building

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next to the highway and the river and so

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street light one street light at the end

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of the driveway was out which was

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uncharacteristic he stepped outside and

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kind of he felt the light he felt like a

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static in the air the short hairs on the

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back of his neck stood up

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and he came out to look up at the stars

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to see that the stars were blacked out

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in the shape of a giant more like a

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trapezoid so like a triangle with the

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pointy end at the tip cut off and he

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kind of talked about it like it was a

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giant Star Destroyer from Star Wars

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almost in that with that shape very

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slowly gliding overhead and as it

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disappeared them behind the mountain it

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suddenly all of the power came back on

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and that was the end of it went back

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inside and and told us all about it in

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the morning pretty exciting you do hear

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a lot of those cases where the power

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goes out whether it's a car you don't

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really hear too many stories where the

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power goes out like in houses and things

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like that but you definitely hear it

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when they're someone's car you know

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ignition stops many many stories thank

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you very much for that that's great

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yeah um alright so Alejandra I know

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we've we've eaten up a lot of your

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normal time do you have Jeff some UFO

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updates for us this week UFO updates

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deep deep deep ok yeah operator yeah

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yeah that was kind of the typewriter

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noise and for those of you who are

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younger what a typewriter was was like a

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thank you it like a keyboard it was the

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first keyboard you know I was thinking

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about something too and on a side note

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if you don't mind yeah is that who knew

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that you know you see the kids typing

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and we're all typing all the time when

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we were kids in typing class yeah you

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know kind of thought this is stupid I'm

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not going to be like a secretary or some

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typing papers who knew we would be

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typing like that was such a big deal now

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now it's like you know it's a huge deal

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we're all doing it constantly I can't

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write anymore I tried to write a letter

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yeah this to this elderly woman that was

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my father's

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you know girlfriend when he passed away

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tried to write her a letter the other

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day I can't read my writing anymore

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I'm so used to having everything amazing

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yeah I'm the same way

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so UFO sightings yeah there is this is

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kind of cool there was a it's getting a

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lot of attention to is that there's this

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um this group called the dad oh dude dad

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a duo and they essentially take data and

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make visual visualizations with it and

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they do some really cool stuff and they

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do these competitions where they compete

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so they take a set of data and then they

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will visualize it and then you can vote

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for who's you like one or the other the

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two people are a woman named pooja

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Gandhi and a man named Adam cray han run

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the site and do this challenge this week

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or this month they decided to do UFOs so

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they went to this site called Kegel that

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has a lot of different data sets that

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they've put together and one of those

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data sets are UFO sightings from 1960 to

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2014 I went to look at the site and it's

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actually from new Fork the national UFO

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Reporting Center who which is ran by

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Peter Davenport who you've had on the

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show quite a bit and I know you know him

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pretty well but these graphics were

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really cool they show kind of sightings

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all over the world and in the United

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States one of the things I did with the

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map is I noticed you know you can't just

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take sightings where our sightings about

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the most sightings and here's why

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because the most sightings are where the

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most people are you know and I took a

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picture of the United States at night

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they kind of graphically show this you

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can really see it and sure enough it

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lines up with their maps almost exactly

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because there's more lights where there

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are more people so what you have to do I

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think to get more accurate numbers is to

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figure out her population so divide you

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know like the number of sightings in a

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state by the by the population and you

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can get how many sightings per person

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and then you get I think more accurate

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idea of where the hot spots are so I did

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go to Cagle and got that data

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said that they used and I I ran those

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numbers to check that out and see where

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the more sightings per person the the

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interesting things to pop up Washington

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pops up to the top but that's where new

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Fork is headquartered and they do get

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quite a few quite a bit of press out

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there you know he's kind of in the

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northwest when they write a story about

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UFOs they'll often go to Peter Davenport

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he's like their guy local guy to talk to

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you which makes sense and so they get a

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lot of reports there but when you look

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at the other states

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Oregon's really high up there I showed

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some numbers that I took from 2014 and

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you see Oregon was pretty high up on

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that one as well which is really

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interesting that organ should be so high

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my numbers that I did in 2014 were MUFON

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numbers but they do correlate with Peter

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Davenport's pretty well other states

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that are pretty high up there are

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Arizona New Mexico New Hampshire Idaho

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Nevada Colorado Rhode Island Connecticut

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Utah some of those are so the per

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population those are some of the places

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that you get which I think are more

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realistic as hot spots but still these

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visualizations that these the data duo

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did are really cool because you can

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highlight the different graphics and

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stuff they have and information about

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them will pop up

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I'd open mine stat TV I just have the

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images highlighted there but if you

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click on the images it'll take you to

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the interactive visualizations that you

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can kind of play with things and get all

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00:23:42,210 --> 00:23:40,720
the data on so they're really cool and

539
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:42,220
what's kind of funny is I wrote this

540
00:23:46,890 --> 00:23:44,710
story what bustled wrote a story a

541
00:23:48,420 --> 00:23:46,900
website called bustled and I that's

542
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:48,430
where I found out about it and then I

543
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:51,730
wrote more about it but now these maps

544
00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:53,170
are popping up all over the place so a

545
00:23:57,300 --> 00:23:54,940
lot of the media is picking up on these

546
00:23:59,490 --> 00:23:57,310
maps and posting them all over the place

547
00:24:02,010 --> 00:23:59,500
which is kind of cool because it's you

548
00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:02,020
know it's one of the things reasons why

549
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:04,420
and I mention her book Cheryl Costa

550
00:24:09,210 --> 00:24:06,910
wrote a book about sightings and where

551
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:09,220
they're reported and her book got a lot

552
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:10,930
of attention for two reasons first of

553
00:24:14,580 --> 00:24:13,090
all she did a great job getting out

554
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:14,590
there and getting the word out about her

555
00:24:21,690 --> 00:24:18,250
book but second of all people want to

556
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:21,700
know about UFO sightings in there

557
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:25,570
area you know and that's what this map

558
00:24:31,889 --> 00:24:29,049
and her book allows which I think plays

559
00:24:33,570 --> 00:24:31,899
well with the local press too so yeah

560
00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:33,580
that was pretty interesting stuff what

561
00:24:37,289 --> 00:24:34,750
do you think I know you looked at that

562
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:37,299
yeah I did check it out and it occurred

563
00:24:43,379 --> 00:24:41,529
to me I wondered how when you mentioned

564
00:24:45,330 --> 00:24:43,389
that you know Washington was a focus

565
00:24:50,090 --> 00:24:45,340
Peter Davenport's located there it also

566
00:24:53,370 --> 00:24:50,100
made me wonder about how easily accessed

567
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:53,380
reporting sightings are how much of a

568
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:55,090
difference that makes in other words

569
00:24:59,610 --> 00:24:57,490
like if you did this very same thing in

570
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,620
Europe what would it look like you know

571
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:01,360
what type of reporting centers do they

572
00:25:08,100 --> 00:25:04,240
have and or you know how can you report

573
00:25:10,919 --> 00:25:08,110
a UFO and say you know France or play

574
00:25:13,169 --> 00:25:10,929
something like that so per country would

575
00:25:16,049 --> 00:25:13,179
be really interesting as well not just

576
00:25:18,299 --> 00:25:16,059
yeah you would need some different data

577
00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:18,309
sets so for example MUFON does have a

578
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:20,470
pretty strong presence throughout other

579
00:25:26,100 --> 00:25:23,940
countries whereas new Fork not so much

580
00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:26,110
Canada of course there's Chris Bukowski

581
00:25:30,899 --> 00:25:28,840
and I forget the name of his group but

582
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:30,909
they do a lot of reporting collection

583
00:25:35,399 --> 00:25:33,490
and analysis so he's pretty popular up

584
00:25:37,639 --> 00:25:35,409
there and gets a lot in France of course

585
00:25:40,169 --> 00:25:37,649
that's pretty much the only Western

586
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,179
country where they have an official

587
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:42,720
government agency under their space

588
00:25:48,889 --> 00:25:46,960
administration essentially so they get a

589
00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:48,899
lot of reports there and you can go to

590
00:25:54,750 --> 00:25:52,750
Japan France's UFO organizations website

591
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:54,760
and they post right on the front page

592
00:25:59,580 --> 00:25:57,010
their statistics some of their top

593
00:26:01,799 --> 00:25:59,590
sightings and stuff like that so yeah

594
00:26:04,379 --> 00:26:01,809
that would take a more a bigger effort

595
00:26:06,269 --> 00:26:04,389
from someone but it's something that's

596
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,279
probably worth doing that would be

597
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:09,039
really interesting well so hey I want

598
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:11,320
you to have a great Thanksgiving and I

599
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:13,600
can you appreciate you know your your

600
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:16,240
cousin and you stopping in for our show

601
00:26:20,340 --> 00:26:19,210
uh-huh thank you for you thanks for

602
00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:20,350
letting us our pleasure

603
00:26:24,659 --> 00:26:22,870
Happy Thanksgiving you happy turkey day

604
00:26:26,970 --> 00:26:24,669
people yeah that's right

605
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,980
all right well you take care and I'll

606
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:27,960
talk to you next week

607
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:30,760
Taiki later all right all right everyone

608
00:26:34,610 --> 00:26:33,970
so that is that's it for Alejandro now

609
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:34,620
our guy

610
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:37,929
I'm gonna be bringing in a Jeremy Jeremy

611
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:40,809
Korbel he's an artist he's a filmmaker

612
00:26:47,730 --> 00:26:43,929
does an excellent job extraordinary

613
00:26:50,249 --> 00:26:47,740
beliefs is his website and we got a lot

614
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:50,259
to talk about Jeremy I hope you unmuted

615
00:26:59,930 --> 00:26:55,120
your mic how are you Jeremy I still

616
00:27:03,539 --> 00:26:59,940
can't hear you Jeremy Jeremy you there

617
00:27:04,379 --> 00:27:03,549
don't tell me I lost them all right hang

618
00:27:13,049 --> 00:27:04,389
on everyone

619
00:27:16,529 --> 00:27:13,059
I don't see him library so the new Skype

620
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:16,539
I always have my Skype sounds muted the

621
00:27:22,529 --> 00:27:19,200
new Skype does not have that option um

622
00:27:23,009 --> 00:27:22,539
not too happy about that Jeremy can you

623
00:27:25,860 --> 00:27:23,019
hear me

624
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:25,870
I sure can how you doing good and I want

625
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:28,690
to also I want to tell the listener what

626
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:31,330
dedication you have you your your

627
00:27:36,269 --> 00:27:33,610
internet went out and you took your car

628
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,279
and you drove somewhere on top of a

629
00:27:41,820 --> 00:27:39,279
mountain somewhere in California thank

630
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:41,830
you so much that's dead ego that's right

631
00:27:46,169 --> 00:27:44,049
yeah I live really you know remotely out

632
00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:46,179
there in the Mojave Desert and the only

633
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:47,620
connection I have to the outside world

634
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:50,559
is this tiny little 10 inch dish and it

635
00:27:54,539 --> 00:27:52,690
was acting a little bit freaky so I kind

636
00:27:56,730 --> 00:27:54,549
of drove up to one of the mountains we

637
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,740
have out here a pioneer town California

638
00:28:01,200 --> 00:27:58,000
and I'm broadcasting the middle of

639
00:28:03,299 --> 00:28:01,210
Mojave from a mountaintop Wow and you

640
00:28:06,570 --> 00:28:03,309
sound crystal-clear so I am excited

641
00:28:08,700 --> 00:28:06,580
about that so let's see we had you on I

642
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,710
think it was Wow it's got to be like

643
00:28:11,850 --> 00:28:10,480
three or four years tonight tonight I

644
00:28:14,009 --> 00:28:11,860
don't know if you heard us announce this

645
00:28:15,899 --> 00:28:14,019
but it is the it is the sixth

646
00:28:18,869 --> 00:28:15,909
anniversary of the show I can't even

647
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:18,879
believe it Wow congratulations

648
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:22,000
yeah yeah I was just I don't know just I

649
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:25,240
happen to look and it was this night I

650
00:28:30,509 --> 00:28:27,730
talked to Steven Bassett he was the

651
00:28:32,310 --> 00:28:30,519
first person the first guinea pig to be

652
00:28:35,789 --> 00:28:32,320
on my show and I did a terrible job was

653
00:28:39,899 --> 00:28:35,799
not so good so almost 300 shows later

654
00:28:42,629 --> 00:28:39,909
here we are and I still I gotta tell you

655
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:42,639
I know just as much about UFOs as I did

656
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:45,370
when I started and that's that's nothing

657
00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:46,960
yeah

658
00:28:52,890 --> 00:28:49,540
we actually only know one thing about

659
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:52,900
UFOs definitively and that's really

660
00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:54,280
fascinating like that came from a

661
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:55,540
conversation I was having with Jacques

662
00:29:00,300 --> 00:28:58,210
de la he recently visited we were able

663
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:00,310
to compare notes on elemental and

664
00:29:05,460 --> 00:29:02,770
isotopic analysis and when he came out

665
00:29:08,610 --> 00:29:05,470
we were talking about the one thing that

666
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:08,620
is known about UFOs scientifically and

667
00:29:14,910 --> 00:29:12,310
that is that UFOs represent a huge

668
00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:14,920
amount of energy in a small amount of

669
00:29:18,570 --> 00:29:17,110
space and that that has been proven to

670
00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:18,580
the most people's satisfaction other

671
00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:21,640
than that is anybody's guess Wow I have

672
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:24,460
never heard it put that way before now I

673
00:29:32,390 --> 00:29:29,440
know sharks philosophy on is something

674
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:32,400
along the lines that if if it's just

675
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,330
extraterrestrial then he'd be

676
00:29:41,940 --> 00:29:37,120
disappointed and or something along

677
00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:41,950
those lines and you know I often ponder

678
00:29:47,010 --> 00:29:45,340
what the heck it is I have no idea and I

679
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:47,020
that's one of the reasons I love doing

680
00:29:52,170 --> 00:29:48,670
the show is because there are so many

681
00:29:55,290 --> 00:29:52,180
people with you know ideas on what

682
00:29:56,900 --> 00:29:55,300
exactly it could be yeah I mean he came

683
00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:56,910
forward with the extra-terrestrial

684
00:30:02,910 --> 00:29:59,830
hypothesis in in you know originally and

685
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:02,920
then he himself abandoned that

686
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:05,650
philosophy as new data sets became

687
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:07,450
available he was actually kind of

688
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:09,670
arguing with Steven Spielberg back in

689
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:11,860
the day that this should be something

690
00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:14,290
that conveys more of a multi-dimensional

691
00:30:20,790 --> 00:30:17,140
or even what John keel termed as the

692
00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:20,800
ultra dimensional phenomenon but you

693
00:30:25,170 --> 00:30:22,840
know we as the public were not really

694
00:30:26,940 --> 00:30:25,180
ready for that at the time when Steven

695
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:26,950
Spielberg was making his movie Close

696
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,990
Encounters so they went with a more

697
00:30:32,850 --> 00:30:31,120
traditional approach but then if you

698
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:32,860
look at what was at the Indiana Jones

699
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:35,170
Crystal Skull that's when they showed

700
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:39,010
the kind of idea of changing dimensions

701
00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:42,880
so yeah Jacques ballet was really came

702
00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:44,740
forward with the extra hypothesis and

703
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,750
then came forward with the other

704
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:49,120
hypothesis which right now is more

705
00:30:55,260 --> 00:30:52,570
accepted or it is being embraced with

706
00:30:56,700 --> 00:30:55,270
the extra hypothesis which is the roux

707
00:31:00,720 --> 00:30:56,710
Dylan was something that might be way

708
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:00,730
beyond that way stranger yeah when I met

709
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:04,870
Chaac out in Phoenix back actually you

710
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:08,470
were at Dyer as well I was standing in

711
00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:10,720
line with him at the hotel and and I I

712
00:31:14,730 --> 00:31:13,150
said just a quote that I say from my

713
00:31:17,490 --> 00:31:14,740
show and I had not even heard what he

714
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:17,500
thought about I unfortunately hadn't

715
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:19,570
read any of his books which I do plan on

716
00:31:25,260 --> 00:31:23,200
doing shame on me but I said to him

717
00:31:26,970 --> 00:31:25,270
while I was in line I said maybe it's

718
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:26,980
something we haven't even thought of yet

719
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:30,250
and he he kind of chuckled he says yeah

720
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:32,710
he says I I think you know that's kind

721
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:36,330
of what what's going on probably yeah

722
00:31:43,740 --> 00:31:39,480
yes I mean you know one of the most

723
00:31:46,860 --> 00:31:43,750
comical parts of our interaction was

724
00:31:49,170 --> 00:31:46,870
where we're sitting at my ranch we're

725
00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:49,180
watching the sunset we've had this great

726
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:51,460
you know kind of comparing of notes and

727
00:31:57,050 --> 00:31:53,940
ideas with the scientific analysis of

728
00:32:01,230 --> 00:31:57,060
what people claim are non-terrestrial

729
00:32:03,060 --> 00:32:01,240
you know parts and as we're kind of

730
00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:03,070
watching the sunset I think you know

731
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:05,020
this is my chance this is my moment and

732
00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:08,260
I said what is this whole UFO thing

733
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:11,800
really about and asked him a few very

734
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:14,650
specific questions and he kind of took a

735
00:32:21,180 --> 00:32:17,830
long pause and then just kind of turned

736
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:21,190
to me and said you know I have after all

737
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:25,570
the UM to those same questions that

738
00:32:30,510 --> 00:32:29,260
you're asking now and I just don't know

739
00:32:38,370 --> 00:32:30,520
the answer and I just look at him ah

740
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:38,380
Mike well that's depressing he knew

741
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:41,580
something but I think that he is

742
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:44,050
mystified by the whole experience as

743
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:46,390
much as he as much as he knows new

744
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,240
questions arise and that's just part of

745
00:32:55,650 --> 00:32:51,760
the game here but at the same time we do

746
00:32:58,130 --> 00:32:55,660
know more now than we did before and

747
00:33:01,320 --> 00:32:58,140
that's progress and we want to maintain

748
00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:01,330
progress I saw I was watching a

749
00:33:08,030 --> 00:33:04,900
documentary on UFOs and there was a clip

750
00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:08,040
that was recorded I want to say in the

751
00:33:14,540 --> 00:33:12,790
1960s for a UFO researcher was speaking

752
00:33:16,940 --> 00:33:14,550
and I

753
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:16,950
I can't recall his name but I really got

754
00:33:20,300 --> 00:33:18,750
a kick out of what he said he said I

755
00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:20,310
really think that we're gonna find out

756
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:22,820
and I'm gonna find out in my lifetime

757
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:25,380
anything you know what's going on and I

758
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:27,120
think that's I think that's the

759
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:29,010
misgivings that a lot of people have is

760
00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:30,930
that you know we're actually gonna find

761
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:33,480
out and it's it's a total mystery and I

762
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:36,960
don't I don't know I think I think it

763
00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:39,990
feels like we're close or closer than

764
00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:42,870
when I started six years ago but I don't

765
00:33:46,790 --> 00:33:44,760
know you know I mean it well what yeah

766
00:33:49,030 --> 00:33:46,800
what what does it mean to find out you

767
00:33:51,770 --> 00:33:49,040
know so that's something that I've

768
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:51,780
grappled with myself you look to people

769
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:54,090
from the past who have walked the path

770
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,130
that you're walking now and see where

771
00:34:00,740 --> 00:33:57,840
the pitfalls are and what's already been

772
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:00,750
learned so you don't repeat history so I

773
00:34:08,210 --> 00:34:04,140
can confidently say that today speaking

774
00:34:11,630 --> 00:34:08,220
with you through Skype in 2017 that I I

775
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:11,640
do know more about the UFO phenomenon

776
00:34:18,410 --> 00:34:14,370
and just the phenomenon that includes

777
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:18,420
UFOs I do know more about it today then

778
00:34:27,159 --> 00:34:22,260
I did when I began but most of that was

779
00:34:30,830 --> 00:34:27,169
about discarding my preconceived notions

780
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:30,840
so knowing more is sometimes just

781
00:34:35,860 --> 00:34:33,060
trimming away the fat of what you think

782
00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:35,870
you do know going into something that

783
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:38,460
really does make a like totally get that

784
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:41,580
I totally get that and it's like you

785
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:44,970
have to have a fresh slate and it's

786
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,890
always when you're trying to you're

787
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,480
trying to understand something and you

788
00:34:52,850 --> 00:34:50,220
have something already in mind it's

789
00:34:54,980 --> 00:34:52,860
already tainted right away yeah I mean

790
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:54,990
you know to give you a concrete example

791
00:35:02,510 --> 00:34:58,500
of what I just said is that when I first

792
00:35:05,870 --> 00:35:02,520
started in this field I was sure I was

793
00:35:08,090 --> 00:35:05,880
sure this these were saucers from other

794
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:08,100
star systems that this is a physical

795
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:12,450
phenomenon that it was hard craft coming

796
00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:15,240
in from deep space with certain types of

797
00:35:21,530 --> 00:35:18,660
propulsion systems but clearly over time

798
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,540
it's something that you do learn when

799
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,280
you really listen and you speak with

800
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,680
people and you get behind a little bit

801
00:35:30,270 --> 00:35:28,240
what it is that they're originally

802
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:30,280
courting you know you come to understand

803
00:35:36,750 --> 00:35:33,250
that this is something that is physical

804
00:35:38,730 --> 00:35:36,760
but it is not completely physical that

805
00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:38,740
there's a duality you know kind of like

806
00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:41,590
the Schrodinger's cat thought experiment

807
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:44,260
where there's a superposition of two

808
00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:47,200
things at the same time this phenomenon

809
00:35:52,170 --> 00:35:49,900
seems to interact with human

810
00:35:54,150 --> 00:35:52,180
consciousness just like those

811
00:35:55,830 --> 00:35:54,160
experiments you know the double slit

812
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:55,840
experiment as well in quantum mechanics

813
00:36:02,040 --> 00:35:58,450
yeah that there's that there is some

814
00:36:02,580 --> 00:36:02,050
sort of relationship that it has to the

815
00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:02,590
observer

816
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:05,710
mmhmm yeah you know it did you I don't

817
00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:07,810
know if you were you able to hear the

818
00:36:16,590 --> 00:36:10,600
clip of my friend talking about her UFO

819
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:16,600
experience yes so I I got I don't know

820
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:18,070
if you noticed but she said when she

821
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,170
looked up she said it looked she said I

822
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:22,240
can't really describe it looked foggy I

823
00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:25,090
thought that was really interesting so

824
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,340
this is something that is reported with

825
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:30,400
real UFO sightings all the time when I

826
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:33,040
was recently a skinwalker ranch and Fort

827
00:36:37,290 --> 00:36:34,869
Duchesne in that whole area of the

828
00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:37,300
Uintah Basin one of the cases that I'm

829
00:36:43,740 --> 00:36:40,180
documenting is a gentleman named Corey

830
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:43,750
who actually is tribal security and he

831
00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:46,240
also described the craft he saw which we

832
00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:49,840
documented in filmed and he described it

833
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:52,300
as having almost like a cloud around it

834
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:53,770
although it was only you know 20 feet

835
00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:54,910
off the ground

836
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,250
and then a friend of mine out here he

837
00:37:02,520 --> 00:36:59,920
saw one in 1943 I mean this was a

838
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:02,530
spectacular sighting chased by jets

839
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:04,750
hovering over a pool with a bunch of

840
00:37:09,210 --> 00:37:07,300
kids in it the water seemed to get quiet

841
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:09,220
everybody became still he felt like he

842
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:10,690
could hold his breath underwater forever

843
00:37:16,050 --> 00:37:13,660
like a dilation of time and he comes up

844
00:37:19,620 --> 00:37:16,060
and he says I know it sounds impossible

845
00:37:23,490 --> 00:37:19,630
and I know it sounds crazy the craft

846
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:23,500
itself it was like sweating he says I

847
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:24,910
don't know how to describe it as like

848
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:27,430
sweating Wow and so there is this

849
00:37:31,530 --> 00:37:30,130
moisture of precipitation that seems to

850
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:31,540
occur around it which would be

851
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:34,810
consistent with high energy states did

852
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:36,609
you say 1943

853
00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:41,950
yeah 1943 Wow so that was before what we

854
00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:45,670
consider modern ufology you know

855
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:49,660
absolute 7 Wow absolutely yeah yeah wow

856
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:52,270
that is interesting Wow and did because

857
00:37:59,730 --> 00:37:55,960
it was not talked about it all back in

858
00:38:01,800 --> 00:37:59,740
1943 did he have a clue on what he was

859
00:38:04,319 --> 00:38:01,810
experiencing or did it take a while for

860
00:38:06,180 --> 00:38:04,329
him to figure it out well you know it

861
00:38:08,730 --> 00:38:06,190
was more of an emotional impact and he's

862
00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:08,740
a young kid he was more enthralled by

863
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,320
the the planes that came in to chase

864
00:38:16,109 --> 00:38:13,599
this thing you know they were propeller

865
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:16,119
planes it was like this big deal for

866
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,680
them to see these plans they all have

867
00:38:23,099 --> 00:38:20,079
little toys of coming right over in Los

868
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:23,109
Angeles over this pool and that was kind

869
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:24,640
of where I could see he picked up and

870
00:38:30,359 --> 00:38:27,430
was excited about it but he only kind of

871
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:30,369
deeply recalled this as he got older

872
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:32,170
where I'm actually reaching out to the

873
00:38:36,089 --> 00:38:34,089
childhood friends that he had we're

874
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:36,099
trying to see if they're still alive to

875
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:37,810
see if they had the same experience

876
00:38:42,839 --> 00:38:39,730
without telling them the experience he

877
00:38:44,730 --> 00:38:42,849
had but what he said was that there it

878
00:38:47,309 --> 00:38:44,740
there's no thought behind it

879
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:47,319
this this was otherworldly this was

880
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:49,810
clearly not ours and I think that that

881
00:38:54,930 --> 00:38:53,050
is the experience that people have when

882
00:38:58,410 --> 00:38:54,940
they encounter something like this at

883
00:39:01,050 --> 00:38:58,420
close proximity it it's obvious that

884
00:39:04,349 --> 00:39:01,060
this is something completely foreign

885
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:04,359
completely alien to what you know yeah

886
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:08,040
yeah alien not to say I mean that term

887
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:11,200
it's like right my friend Ben

888
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,560
Paulino will say alien in the sense of

889
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:17,920
the word right foreign right it was it

890
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,050
was extremely foreign to him to the

891
00:39:24,750 --> 00:39:23,200
point where it wasn't human but that you

892
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:24,760
know that doesn't no mean that we know

893
00:39:31,740 --> 00:39:28,150
the origin of this craft or this display

894
00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:31,750
that occurred but but that was the the

895
00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:33,400
impression that he got and that and that

896
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:35,260
is a big point of this that obviously

897
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:38,950
these these objects mostly light most

898
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:41,740
reports are just light right but the

899
00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:46,030
these objects do in fact choose in a way

900
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:48,760
who can see them the majority of the

901
00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:50,770
time and that's kind of interesting you

902
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:51,790
could have two people standing right

903
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:53,260
next to each other and one person seeing

904
00:39:55,620 --> 00:39:55,210
it the others not I've had that

905
00:39:59,850 --> 00:39:55,630
experience

906
00:40:01,620 --> 00:39:59,860
where someone is this is seeing one I I

907
00:40:04,170 --> 00:40:01,630
don't see it I bring it into my

908
00:40:06,660 --> 00:40:04,180
viewfinder of my camera and the moment

909
00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:06,670
that my camera captures this this object

910
00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:08,200
then all of a sudden everybody can see

911
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:10,840
it with their eyes it's almost like we

912
00:40:16,530 --> 00:40:14,410
we deny it until technology shows us

913
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:16,540
it's there it's it's really wild well

914
00:40:23,610 --> 00:40:20,710
you know I had a girl from the aerial

915
00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:23,620
school encounter on my show she was

916
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:26,020
absolutely fantastic I've gotten so much

917
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:28,510
feedback from that show but in saying

918
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:30,670
you know she was for four to five feet

919
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:33,400
away from this creature and then later

920
00:40:38,010 --> 00:40:36,130
on in the show we were talking about the

921
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:38,020
witnesses you know how many people

922
00:40:41,570 --> 00:40:40,090
witnessed this and she said some people

923
00:40:45,090 --> 00:40:41,580
are right there and didn't even see it

924
00:40:47,220 --> 00:40:45,100
right which is really really baffling

925
00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:47,230
you know especially that it's really

926
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:50,230
excite Montagna everything yeah but it's

927
00:40:55,110 --> 00:40:52,870
really common as well I know but but

928
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:55,120
what's interesting is is when you do get

929
00:41:00,180 --> 00:40:58,090
the the multiple witness you know and

930
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:00,190
then you get from you know not only

931
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:02,050
multiple visual witness but a close

932
00:41:06,690 --> 00:41:03,630
encounter and then if that's

933
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:06,700
corroborated with high tech for example

934
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:10,060
FLIR footage like we have in the 2004

935
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:11,170
Nimitz case that I've actually been

936
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:12,400
working on for three years

937
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:15,550
silently and quietly and it started

938
00:41:19,980 --> 00:41:17,770
breaking and with DeLong's announcement

939
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:19,990
and then a couple other researchers so

940
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:22,690
that's great so now you get a case like

941
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:24,970
that where we have FLIR camera footage

942
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:26,710
from the gun cam of the lead fighter

943
00:41:30,930 --> 00:41:29,260
pilot we actually have lots of radar

944
00:41:33,570 --> 00:41:30,940
data which I think people are fighting

945
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:33,580
to get a Declassified right now so

946
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:36,190
you've got multiple types of technology

947
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:38,530
picking up these objects in really high

948
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:41,410
scientific capacity right top technology

949
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:44,170
you have a visual witnesses people that

950
00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:45,670
actually see it who are trained

951
00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:48,220
observers who are engaging this object

952
00:41:52,530 --> 00:41:50,470
with a fighter plane they are and then

953
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,540
you have you know all these other types

954
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:54,240
of witnesses so it's just kind of

955
00:41:59,550 --> 00:41:56,370
fascinating when you can get

956
00:42:01,890 --> 00:41:59,560
corroboration from multiple perspectives

957
00:42:05,010 --> 00:42:01,900
and sources that lead to a more totality

958
00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:05,020
of a picture yes um I do want to talk to

959
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:07,480
you about the Nimitz case a little more

960
00:42:14,030 --> 00:42:10,680
in detail later on in the

961
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:14,040
but I also want to talk about your your

962
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:16,860
movie which is actually out now I

963
00:42:24,140 --> 00:42:21,420
watched it on iTunes and I really really

964
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:24,150
enjoyed it I have to hand it to you you

965
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:27,870
do an excellent job with production it

966
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:29,270
was very well done

967
00:42:34,070 --> 00:42:31,650
thanks man yeah I mean look it's a

968
00:42:36,860 --> 00:42:34,080
colossal task I'm a one-man show so

969
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:36,870
every frame you saw on that I filmed

970
00:42:41,420 --> 00:42:39,300
edited directed sound engineered so

971
00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:41,430
films like that they're they're great

972
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:42,990
because you can put them out with

973
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:45,810
absolute artistic integrity and just say

974
00:42:52,220 --> 00:42:48,690
here is what I experienced and that was

975
00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:52,230
my goal with my film patient 17 which

976
00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:54,540
you know follows the work of dr. Roger

977
00:42:58,820 --> 00:42:56,670
Leir until he died turned out to be his

978
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,830
last alleged alien implant removal

979
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,200
surgery but I continued it because I

980
00:43:08,300 --> 00:43:04,560
wanted a scientific analysis of object

981
00:43:10,700 --> 00:43:08,310
17 for patient 17 because he wanted to

982
00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:10,710
know what was taken out of his body

983
00:43:14,570 --> 00:43:13,500
you know what was this thing so thank

984
00:43:16,610 --> 00:43:14,580
you for saying that

985
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:16,620
and I appreciate it I encourage

986
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:19,140
everybody to watch you know patient 17

987
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,810
and go to iTunes it's on Amazon Xbox you

988
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:24,480
name it it's on it with pay-per-view and

989
00:43:31,540 --> 00:43:28,410
and just take a look my goal was to lift

990
00:43:34,220 --> 00:43:31,550
the visual aesthetic of UFO

991
00:43:37,460 --> 00:43:34,230
cinematography just really simply make a

992
00:43:40,190 --> 00:43:37,470
pretty film but in doing so I wanted to

993
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:40,200
tell a story that was very humanizing so

994
00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:41,910
I think anybody can appreciate this film

995
00:43:48,110 --> 00:43:45,030
my mom likes the film she's the most

996
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:48,120
critical so well now I want to talk

997
00:43:53,330 --> 00:43:49,650
about a couple things about the film

998
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:53,340
first of all I was up first of all about

999
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:55,920
dr. Roger Leir what a gentleman I had

1000
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:57,920
him on my show a few months ahead of

1001
00:44:05,030 --> 00:44:01,800
when he passed away I thought he was a

1002
00:44:07,790 --> 00:44:05,040
very nice and kind gentleman and I'm

1003
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:07,800
sure working with him you can probably

1004
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:08,880
agree with me on that

1005
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:12,480
oh absolutely he was I mean except for

1006
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:13,890
when he was pissed at me and yelling at

1007
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:19,410
me he know he was he was absolutely a

1008
00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:22,170
seeker of truth he was a pioneer you

1009
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:23,340
know he was kind of

1010
00:44:31,340 --> 00:44:27,900
a renegade you know to be a surgeon and

1011
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:31,350
to do this type of work it really puts

1012
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:33,090
you in this strange category people

1013
00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:34,080
don't know how to deal with you

1014
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:36,990
professionally as a podiatrist but you

1015
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:38,940
know he maintained the integrity of his

1016
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,190
work as a surgeon as well as his work

1017
00:44:47,060 --> 00:44:43,920
with abductees or claimed abductees and

1018
00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:47,070
you know look there is a case for this

1019
00:44:51,860 --> 00:44:49,830
that should be made if we go back to

1020
00:44:54,620 --> 00:44:51,870
John Mack you know a head of Harvard

1021
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:54,630
psychiatry he was clear he wrote many

1022
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:56,280
books on this he actually went and

1023
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,810
interviewed all the students like the

1024
00:45:04,520 --> 00:44:59,520
one you had on your show at the aerial

1025
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:04,530
screwing in so basically John Mack was a

1026
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:08,130
proponent that the abduction phenomenon

1027
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:12,690
was indeed physical it was indeed real

1028
00:45:17,540 --> 00:45:15,210
and physical to a degree in that these

1029
00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:17,550
people that have these experiences and

1030
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:19,950
he studied hundreds and did

1031
00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:22,610
psychological exams this is not a a

1032
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:26,070
psychosis is not a mental disorder this

1033
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:28,290
is a real phenomenon so just take it

1034
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:31,140
from the fact that you know hundreds of

1035
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:34,790
thousands of human beings if not more

1036
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,690
claimed abductive experiences by unknown

1037
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:41,280
intelligent seemingly alien and the

1038
00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:44,010
truest sense of the word beings so we

1039
00:45:47,930 --> 00:45:46,140
have to deal with that as a society we

1040
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:47,940
need to take that serious because that

1041
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:50,730
is true that is real people are claiming

1042
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,830
that and then when we go a little bit

1043
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:55,200
deeper into it like John Mack did and

1044
00:46:01,300 --> 00:45:57,000
almost lost his position at Harvard

1045
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:01,310
University is are these abductions

1046
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:05,030
physical are people actually being taken

1047
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:08,970
from their homes from their cars with

1048
00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:12,240
missing time and relocated for a period

1049
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:14,310
of time is that physically happening and

1050
00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:19,350
he landed on yes which is really amazing

1051
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:22,470
you know right off the bat in the very

1052
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:25,580
beginning of the show you introduced

1053
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:30,960
patients 17 he seems to me just his

1054
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:33,630
character seems like kind of a rough

1055
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:37,290
guys a big guy he seems like someone

1056
00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:38,610
like the last person you would think

1057
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:40,020
that would ever talk about something

1058
00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:43,680
like this yeah he was this this was the

1059
00:46:50,060 --> 00:46:46,920
selling point for me I told dr. Leir

1060
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:50,070
that I didn't have any experience in

1061
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:53,010
this area of ufology that in fact I'm

1062
00:46:58,580 --> 00:46:55,410
really skeptical of it and that if I

1063
00:47:01,340 --> 00:46:58,590
found that he was twisting the data or

1064
00:47:03,590 --> 00:47:01,350
deceiving the public in any way that I

1065
00:47:06,860 --> 00:47:03,600
was going to out him and I said are you

1066
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:06,870
sure you want me to come and film your

1067
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:09,000
surgery and he kind of got pissed at me

1068
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,890
and he's like yeah Jeremy I'm sure I've

1069
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:12,660
been doing this for over two decades and

1070
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:14,130
there's something to it I was like

1071
00:47:18,590 --> 00:47:16,920
alright man well I'll do it and you can

1072
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,600
kind of see that in the movie I'm a

1073
00:47:22,220 --> 00:47:20,640
little bit I mean there's some dry humor

1074
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:22,230
in there I found it hilarious he was

1075
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:24,660
using a stud finder and I know he's

1076
00:47:29,450 --> 00:47:27,630
gonna talk misusing it was misusing a

1077
00:47:31,100 --> 00:47:29,460
stud finder on a guy's leg to fight

1078
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,110
search for an alleged alien implant I

1079
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:32,640
was like you can kind of hear me under

1080
00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:34,290
my breath say but but you guys have

1081
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:36,300
actual optics right and they're like you

1082
00:47:39,590 --> 00:47:37,920
know who's that ultrasound optics will

1083
00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:39,600
find out exactly where this is we're not

1084
00:47:44,030 --> 00:47:41,580
gonna guess I was like oh man thank God

1085
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,040
so there was some humor in it at first

1086
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:46,020
to me I was like come on this is crazy

1087
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,420
but then with patient 17 he is stoic I

1088
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:53,760
kind of described him as you know one of

1089
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:55,530
the cowboys have passed he's soft-spoken

1090
00:48:00,920 --> 00:47:59,220
and he there's no insanity and his

1091
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:00,930
family and he's healthy as an ox as he

1092
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:04,140
says in the film so patients that 17 was

1093
00:48:08,540 --> 00:48:06,630
really the reason the reason why I stuck

1094
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:08,550
with this because there is a circus

1095
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:10,500
going on I mean the waiting room got

1096
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:12,090
filled with people just trying to get a

1097
00:48:17,090 --> 00:48:15,450
glimpse at this like poor man and the

1098
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:17,100
surgery he's undergoing and he wants to

1099
00:48:23,090 --> 00:48:19,200
maintain his anonymity that's why we

1100
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:23,100
call him patient 17 and that day I kind

1101
00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:25,950
of shielded her blocked for him and I

1102
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:27,510
think that kind of bonded us because he

1103
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:30,930
saw that you know that I cared and and

1104
00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:33,690
then knowing him getting to know him the

1105
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:35,730
way he describes his abductive

1106
00:48:41,780 --> 00:48:38,370
experiences which lets differentiate

1107
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,790
he knows to be real that is not under

1108
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:44,400
suspicion he had abductive experiences

1109
00:48:51,110 --> 00:48:47,220
he that he believes that he knows that

1110
00:48:53,420 --> 00:48:51,120
but he was not sure did this object be

1111
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,430
removed from his leg had anything to do

1112
00:48:57,890 --> 00:48:55,920
with his abductive experiences so he was

1113
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:57,900
just as curious as me and just as

1114
00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:01,740
skeptical as me to find out what this

1115
00:49:07,610 --> 00:49:05,100
was that they removed from his leg right

1116
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:07,620
right you know something I've said on

1117
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:10,920
this show before if I if this was

1118
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:12,000
happening to me

1119
00:49:15,860 --> 00:49:14,010
like I was having an abduction

1120
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:15,870
experience I don't know how I could

1121
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:18,180
function in everyday life I mean it

1122
00:49:25,780 --> 00:49:20,490
would just be I could only imagine to be

1123
00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:25,790
totally consuming yeah you know we

1124
00:49:33,700 --> 00:49:29,990
partition elements of our life so

1125
00:49:36,650 --> 00:49:33,710
depending on how much this is really

1126
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:36,660
encroaching upon your your your typical

1127
00:49:41,780 --> 00:49:39,060
everyday life you know I'm happy to

1128
00:49:44,330 --> 00:49:41,790
report you know patients 17 he likes

1129
00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:44,340
riding motorcycles he has a wonderful

1130
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:47,220
wife a wonderful life he's got a great

1131
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:47,940
job

1132
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,730
he likes to as I said like dirt biking

1133
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:52,800
camp and that sort of like what I like

1134
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:55,850
and he's just a normal guy of

1135
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:57,930
extraordinary height he's six foot nine

1136
00:50:02,810 --> 00:50:01,140
kind of megalith of a man Wow yeah yeah

1137
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:02,820
he's a big dude you know I called my

1138
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:04,650
giant friend so if I ever gotta go bang

1139
00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:06,570
on a door to find an implant again he's

1140
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:10,200
with me so I know you know he just likes

1141
00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:12,780
to have that normal life and then there

1142
00:50:18,830 --> 00:50:15,270
are these moments that will come from

1143
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:18,840
left field like a curveball and and and

1144
00:50:25,340 --> 00:50:22,110
make you wonder what's going on because

1145
00:50:28,100 --> 00:50:25,350
you're left with two options one is is

1146
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:28,110
that this is not happening to you and

1147
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:31,800
you're crazy and that's very scary for

1148
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:33,450
people and then you know the other

1149
00:50:39,350 --> 00:50:36,210
option is this is happening to you

1150
00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:39,360
you're not crazy but does that make you

1151
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:43,380
feel any better right yeah so it's a

1152
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:44,970
pickle yeah it really is

1153
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:49,850
yeah so I have to say that I can't watch

1154
00:50:56,330 --> 00:50:53,250
anything to do a surgery so a little

1155
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:56,340
little and I heard that I want to not do

1156
00:51:00,500 --> 00:50:58,170
anything to try not to do any spoilers

1157
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:00,510
but I will tell if anyone else is

1158
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:02,490
planning and to watch us and feels like

1159
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:04,980
I do when you see it

1160
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:08,400
happening just skip ahead to 1630 that's

1161
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:11,090
the time you want to skip ahead

1162
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:14,550
you got a prior eyes open like clockwork

1163
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:16,980
orange' style and force yourself to

1164
00:51:22,609 --> 00:51:19,200
watch it because it's real you have to

1165
00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:22,619
appreciate what this man decided to let

1166
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:25,590
happen to him what he decided to do I

1167
00:51:29,570 --> 00:51:27,810
mean that's part of it and you know

1168
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:29,580
there are people I've heard a lot of

1169
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:30,720
that from the film that's why in my

1170
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:31,980
trailer I give it to you front and

1171
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:33,570
center so if you watch the trailer for

1172
00:51:36,980 --> 00:51:35,609
the movie patience seventeen that's as

1173
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:36,990
bad as it gets I mean you're gonna see

1174
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:40,800
it and yeah man we live in meat suits

1175
00:51:45,070 --> 00:51:42,570
and sometimes they're cut open to

1176
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:45,080
retrieve things apparently yes yes right

1177
00:51:51,140 --> 00:51:48,720
so he called them you know I guess I'll

1178
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:51,150
just call him seventeen since he's you

1179
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:54,570
know anonymous so he he called them

1180
00:51:58,190 --> 00:51:56,640
alien gangsters can you talk a little

1181
00:52:00,380 --> 00:51:58,200
bit about that and why he called them

1182
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:00,390
that yeah I thought that was fascinating

1183
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,760
that stems from a question I asked him

1184
00:52:06,380 --> 00:52:04,440
there's a scene in the movie where he's

1185
00:52:09,050 --> 00:52:06,390
kind of working on this little

1186
00:52:10,849 --> 00:52:09,060
motorcycle yaws and sits down and gives

1187
00:52:12,830 --> 00:52:10,859
me this interview I went to go see him

1188
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:12,840
after the surgery just to see you his

1189
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:13,950
state of mind

1190
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,660
you know what he's feeling because

1191
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:17,280
everybody kind of abandoned him after

1192
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,170
this so you know I went to talk with him

1193
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:21,960
and I said well tell me more about your

1194
00:52:26,690 --> 00:52:24,030
adoptive experiences you know what do

1195
00:52:28,430 --> 00:52:26,700
you think about these beings you know

1196
00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:28,440
what what do they want and and he says

1197
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:30,990
that I don't care what they want I I

1198
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:33,720
treat them just like any other intruder

1199
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:36,030
it's not like they come over and with a

1200
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:38,010
case of beer and pizza and say let's you

1201
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,359
know let's have a bite and drink and

1202
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:41,460
they're not you have not invited them in

1203
00:52:45,620 --> 00:52:43,740
he said he says so and he thinks about

1204
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:45,630
it and he and he pauses and this is a

1205
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:48,119
pretty powerful moment in the movie he

1206
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:50,430
kind of positive as well there are

1207
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:54,000
gangsters alien gangsters they do what

1208
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,460
they want with you and they discard you

1209
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,460
and that's how he feels about it if he

1210
00:53:04,310 --> 00:53:01,980
gets a chance he will take one of them

1211
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,320
out and he's serious about that he's

1212
00:53:08,810 --> 00:53:06,660
fought back before in his abductive

1213
00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:08,820
experiences he has fought back before

1214
00:53:15,170 --> 00:53:12,600
and a lot of people will claim you know

1215
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:15,180
you hear them say that they absolutely

1216
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:17,790
have no control but he sort of broke he

1217
00:53:21,900 --> 00:53:19,210
was saying he sort of broke

1218
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,910
from that a little bit yeah he was kind

1219
00:53:25,859 --> 00:53:24,160
of surprised you know you could feel and

1220
00:53:27,390 --> 00:53:25,869
see in the movie you can see his

1221
00:53:29,579 --> 00:53:27,400
surprise when he talks about he's like

1222
00:53:32,190 --> 00:53:29,589
it's like he had a revelation when he

1223
00:53:34,589 --> 00:53:32,200
was telling me he does yes I guess that

1224
00:53:36,690 --> 00:53:34,599
they do give you this this control this

1225
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:36,700
mental control they have over you he

1226
00:53:41,220 --> 00:53:38,710
goes but I was once able to break that

1227
00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:41,230
and you know to try to defend himself

1228
00:53:48,030 --> 00:53:44,440
and you know tackle one of these beings

1229
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:48,040
you know and that was you could see it

1230
00:53:53,609 --> 00:53:50,290
kind of dawn on him that he could fight

1231
00:53:57,060 --> 00:53:53,619
back so he did have one experience that

1232
00:54:02,130 --> 00:53:57,070
he was able to physically move and

1233
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:02,140
maneuver to end the abduction Wow yeah

1234
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:04,570
amazing so we have some questions that

1235
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:07,290
came in I want to make sure that I

1236
00:54:14,030 --> 00:54:11,410
didn't forget them and so some of them

1237
00:54:15,180 --> 00:54:14,040
are based on you know the object

1238
00:54:18,030 --> 00:54:15,190
themselves

1239
00:54:21,450 --> 00:54:18,040
this the you know the object itself and

1240
00:54:23,070 --> 00:54:21,460
I don't know how you feel about what you

1241
00:54:26,089 --> 00:54:23,080
want to give away you know as far as

1242
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:26,099
like spoiler as far as the movie itself

1243
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:28,210
nothing's really gonna spoil the movie

1244
00:54:32,339 --> 00:54:30,010
yeah I can talk about it all day long

1245
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:32,349
there's no experience like watching it

1246
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:35,710
right right so one of the questions here

1247
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,800
was having your film patients 17 mass

1248
00:54:44,370 --> 00:54:41,680
distributed does this give you a better

1249
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:44,380
opportunity to make other films is there

1250
00:54:52,109 --> 00:54:48,190
a negative aspect to this with more

1251
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:52,119
pressure on for you to produce films for

1252
00:54:59,040 --> 00:54:55,170
deadlines and not have a full artistic

1253
00:55:02,790 --> 00:54:59,050
ability or control that is a fabulous

1254
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:02,800
question well first of all these whoever

1255
00:55:07,710 --> 00:55:04,810
wrote that I'm really grateful that that

1256
00:55:09,810 --> 00:55:07,720
brings up a very important point so the

1257
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:09,820
first part of the question is having

1258
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,599
this film mass distributed absolutely

1259
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:16,480
opens the doors for me to get more work

1260
00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:18,580
out to the public and as you might know

1261
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:20,560
I'm sitting on a lot of work you know

1262
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:23,970
it's you know sat 6 years with John Lear

1263
00:55:28,770 --> 00:55:26,950
the full bob lazar film almost filmed

1264
00:55:30,420 --> 00:55:28,780
with with Bob I announced that a little

1265
00:55:32,310 --> 00:55:30,430
while ago I talked to you about that I

1266
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:32,320
mean that's after 30 years George Knapp

1267
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:33,010
my mentor

1268
00:55:39,060 --> 00:55:34,330
journalism you know brought him out

1269
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:39,070
almost 30 years ago in his 28:29 so dr.

1270
00:55:42,570 --> 00:55:40,480
Edgar Mitchell six men who walk in the

1271
00:55:44,940 --> 00:55:42,580
moon as the last guy to film him three

1272
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:44,950
days in his home I have an archive

1273
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,330
that's unbelievable that I want to get

1274
00:55:50,820 --> 00:55:48,160
out to people and having patients 17

1275
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:50,830
mass distributed has opened the doors

1276
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:52,810
for me to get films out to people in

1277
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:55,210
ways that I've never been able to do

1278
00:55:57,980 --> 00:55:56,200
before

1279
00:56:01,860 --> 00:55:57,990
so that's the first part of the question

1280
00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:01,870
yes second part of the question does

1281
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:03,820
that in any way pressure me with

1282
00:56:08,190 --> 00:56:05,890
deadlines or infringe upon creative

1283
00:56:10,650 --> 00:56:08,200
control now this is really important the

1284
00:56:12,810 --> 00:56:10,660
reason why patient 17 took so long to

1285
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:12,820
get out to people was because I said no

1286
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:15,690
to everybody that wanted to buy it

1287
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:18,250
everybody because they wouldn't give me

1288
00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:21,010
final cut imagine that they wouldn't

1289
00:56:24,810 --> 00:56:22,600
give me final cut of my own film that's

1290
00:56:26,130 --> 00:56:24,820
already done they wanted to have the

1291
00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:26,140
control to change it

1292
00:56:30,930 --> 00:56:28,840
so I said no to everybody didn't matter

1293
00:56:33,210 --> 00:56:30,940
how much they offered me great thing

1294
00:56:36,060 --> 00:56:33,220
about working with the orchard is it's

1295
00:56:39,660 --> 00:56:36,070
in my contract I have complete creative

1296
00:56:41,820 --> 00:56:39,670
control complete so anything you see

1297
00:56:44,820 --> 00:56:41,830
come from me will not be tainted by

1298
00:56:47,550 --> 00:56:44,830
timeline will not be tainted by pressure

1299
00:56:50,490 --> 00:56:47,560
or creative control it will be a one of

1300
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:50,500
the kind Jeremy Corbyn film I take

1301
00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:53,290
responsibility for every frame and now

1302
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:54,730
I'm just able to get it out to you

1303
00:57:01,200 --> 00:56:56,760
faster and better

1304
00:57:03,870 --> 00:57:01,210
excellent excellent so let's let's walk

1305
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:03,880
through the film a little bit so it it

1306
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:05,470
goes I already talked about the surgery

1307
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:09,700
so this thing has been extracted it was

1308
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:12,370
actually put into a solution that

1309
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:16,090
actually came from I think from blood of

1310
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:20,250
the patients 17 or yeah it's a serum

1311
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:22,690
serum of this blood cells they spin it

1312
00:57:25,290 --> 00:57:23,440
down yeah

1313
00:57:27,630 --> 00:57:25,300
the preservation just to keep it fresh

1314
00:57:29,460 --> 00:57:27,640
you know the first thing that pops in my

1315
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:29,470
head right now is do you know where the

1316
00:57:37,230 --> 00:57:33,910
object is now because I know I know when

1317
00:57:38,940 --> 00:57:37,240
I spoke with Roger before he passed away

1318
00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:38,950
he said I asked him where he kept these

1319
00:57:46,550 --> 00:57:43,600
things and he said very safe yep and do

1320
00:57:49,070 --> 00:57:46,560
you know where the object is I do and

1321
00:57:52,070 --> 00:57:49,080
in fact the film has applied some

1322
00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:52,080
pressure to that situation so you'll see

1323
00:57:56,570 --> 00:57:54,270
in the film that there is a real point

1324
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:56,580
of contention at one point right about

1325
00:58:03,680 --> 00:57:59,940
being able to study the object object

1326
00:58:06,380 --> 00:58:03,690
number 17 and I believe that over time

1327
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:06,390
and also just the pressure of the film I

1328
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:09,330
can now say that I have a good

1329
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:11,730
relationship with the custodian of this

1330
00:58:18,110 --> 00:58:15,450
object and that we have now access in

1331
00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:18,120
order to study this scientifically and

1332
00:58:22,700 --> 00:58:20,520
with the right mechanisms that you know

1333
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:22,710
the right types of scientific analysis

1334
00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:26,850
so that is in motion right now it's a

1335
00:58:31,670 --> 00:58:28,800
matter of getting the the right tests

1336
00:58:34,460 --> 00:58:31,680
and and applying the same techniques to

1337
00:58:36,490 --> 00:58:34,470
see if we get consistent results so yes

1338
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:36,500
I know where the object is and yes I'm

1339
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,090
supposed to have direct access to it at

1340
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:41,280
any time so now let's see what happens

1341
00:58:47,660 --> 00:58:44,460
in six months right there was a question

1342
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:47,670
I can't I can't see it right here real

1343
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:51,330
quickly but the gist of it was when that

1344
00:58:59,000 --> 00:58:56,730
item was extracted from patient 17 was

1345
00:59:02,330 --> 00:58:59,010
there any difference in the way he felt

1346
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:02,340
because he does mention of him riding on

1347
00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:03,930
his motorcycle how all of a sudden he

1348
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:05,670
had excruciating pain there and had to

1349
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:07,830
actually pull over and lay down on the

1350
00:59:13,550 --> 00:59:10,200
side of the road has anything changed

1351
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:13,560
with him since I was extracted you know

1352
00:59:21,050 --> 00:59:17,250
that's a very difficult question to

1353
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:21,060
answer because it you have to think

1354
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:22,530
about it from a psychological standpoint

1355
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:25,230
you have these traumatic experiences and

1356
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:27,690
we do compartmentalize them like if you

1357
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:30,650
have PTSD you know you're walking around

1358
00:59:35,230 --> 00:59:32,850
99% of the time okay and then you you

1359
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:35,240
have a flashback you have a bad problem

1360
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:38,790
stress-induced so it's hard to determine

1361
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:42,300
when you've had traumatic experiences if

1362
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:46,260
the mental effects of simply change and

1363
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:47,850
having something out of your body do you

1364
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:49,710
question if maybe it was doing something

1365
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:52,440
good for you so so I would say that

1366
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:55,140
patient 17 has gone through a range of

1367
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,140
emotions and experiences since the

1368
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:00,480
object was removed from his body now

1369
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:02,970
from from a toxicology standpoint I was

1370
01:00:08,330 --> 01:00:05,970
able to show a nano toxicologists ela

1371
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:08,340
the the analysis of the sample and he

1372
01:00:11,330 --> 01:00:10,380
was like that it's really good you got

1373
01:00:14,359 --> 01:00:11,340
this out of his body

1374
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:14,369
it has arsenic it has nutriyum it has

1375
01:00:21,849 --> 01:00:17,970
all these toxic alloys it's good you got

1376
01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:21,859
it out so anyway you want to argue it

1377
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,630
this was something that contain toxic

1378
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:26,400
alloys and should be removed as a

1379
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:29,130
foreign body from a man's you know leg

1380
01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:31,950
absolutely but patient 17 has gone on a

1381
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:34,140
roller coaster of emotions ultimately

1382
01:00:39,290 --> 01:00:36,540
he's loving life as I said has a great

1383
01:00:41,750 --> 01:00:39,300
wife great job great life and we're

1384
01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,760
friends and we get any chance we get we

1385
01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:44,640
hang out and yeah he's doing great but

1386
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:47,550
we still want to get answers of what

1387
01:00:52,550 --> 01:00:50,040
precisely we know what it was

1388
01:00:55,070 --> 01:00:52,560
elementally and isotopically we need to

1389
01:00:58,359 --> 01:00:55,080
retest it multiple times to satisfy

1390
01:01:02,810 --> 01:00:58,369
scientific rigor but we know what it was

1391
01:01:05,090 --> 01:01:02,820
to a degree but we want to find out more

1392
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,100
yeah I know I think somewhere in your

1393
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:06,960
film you mentioned you know retesting is

1394
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:09,540
important or nano man I think said

1395
01:01:16,930 --> 01:01:12,180
something about that and we can talk a

1396
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:16,940
little bit about nano me as well yeah so

1397
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:20,250
dr. Roger Leir is now gone is there

1398
01:01:26,810 --> 01:01:23,910
anyone that is planning as far as you

1399
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:26,820
know to take over what he was doing and

1400
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:29,810
worked with these so-called implants

1401
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:32,880
interestingly enough my childhoods

1402
01:01:39,500 --> 01:01:36,330
friend what my old childhood friend his

1403
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,510
name is Mike side his father Arnold side

1404
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,000
is a surgeon a general surgeon for many

1405
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:44,880
years his whole life retired down and he

1406
01:01:55,580 --> 01:01:47,250
has offered you know under certain

1407
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:55,590
guideline look are you there I'm not

1408
01:02:01,099 --> 01:01:59,220
hearing you a surgery

1409
01:02:03,410 --> 01:02:01,109
my dad needed to have so it's got great

1410
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:03,420
surgeon and he has offered if I set

1411
01:02:09,530 --> 01:02:06,240
everything up to continue the surgical

1412
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:09,540
aspects of this research I so there's

1413
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:11,640
three parts one is psychological

1414
01:02:15,830 --> 01:02:14,040
you need to screen people so

1415
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:15,840
I am currently looking for somebody who

1416
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:26,610
is me who will do all right

1417
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:30,390
you claim implants and do the same type

1418
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:32,310
yeah so psychological then we do the

1419
01:02:37,340 --> 01:02:34,170
surgery and I do have a surgeon now his

1420
01:02:40,220 --> 01:02:37,350
name who's willing to help and and then

1421
01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:40,230
after that I have a scientific team I'm

1422
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:43,470
about five people on a team all experts

1423
01:02:49,580 --> 01:02:44,730
in their fields from everything from

1424
01:02:52,270 --> 01:02:49,590
material science material science to now

1425
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:52,280
technology to just you know a spectral

1426
01:03:02,210 --> 01:02:54,000
technologist or whatever somebody uses

1427
01:03:04,550 --> 01:03:02,220
SEMS okay uh Jeremy can you can you hear

1428
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:04,560
me right now side basis now this is not

1429
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:06,690
something that I do I'm a filmmaker but

1430
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,970
I'm trying to assemble that team and so

1431
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:11,280
far I have only one missing part which

1432
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:12,930
is the right person for the

1433
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:15,650
psychological aspects of everything well

1434
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:19,770
Jeremy can you hear me right now yes

1435
01:03:24,350 --> 01:03:22,140
okay I just want to you've you've been

1436
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:24,360
cutting out a little bit have you moved

1437
01:03:30,170 --> 01:03:26,760
anywhere in your car or anything

1438
01:03:32,690 --> 01:03:30,180
I have not oh okay all right well we'll

1439
01:03:35,110 --> 01:03:32,700
just keep plugging for anyone that is

1440
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:35,120
just tuning in we're on with Jeremy

1441
01:03:40,370 --> 01:03:38,220
Korbel and he's sitting in his car and

1442
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,380
on the top of a mountain because his

1443
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:42,960
internet was acting a little funky so

1444
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:47,880
he's on his iPhone using Skype I think

1445
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:48,960
it's actually coming in pretty good

1446
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:53,130
except for as it was cutting out right

1447
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:55,110
okay yeah I get again yeah I just live

1448
01:03:59,480 --> 01:03:57,690
real remotely so having just this tiny

1449
01:04:02,210 --> 01:03:59,490
little dish service my entire universe

1450
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:02,220
for 20 minutes I felt it's safer to

1451
01:04:06,650 --> 01:04:05,010
drive to the top of a mountain so so

1452
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:06,660
we're both on top of the mountain so

1453
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:11,490
that's right yeah let's talk about how

1454
01:04:19,810 --> 01:04:14,870
difficult is something like an implant

1455
01:04:22,730 --> 01:04:19,820
to have looked at seriously by say a lab

1456
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:22,740
it's actually there's no problem with

1457
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:24,810
that at all but let's step back I don't

1458
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:27,510
know that these are implants these

1459
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:29,940
foreign objects that are found in

1460
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:32,490
people's bodies and in fact I can only

1461
01:04:37,550 --> 01:04:35,220
talk about object number 17 because I

1462
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:37,560
can't really trust I wasn't there for

1463
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:40,170
all the other you know 16 before I'm

1464
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:43,290
sure they're well documented but I need

1465
01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:45,570
to find out what one is before I find

1466
01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:46,380
out the others but as far as

1467
01:04:53,570 --> 01:04:49,470
laboratories looking at this information

1468
01:04:56,930 --> 01:04:53,580
it is absolutely a blind process they

1469
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:56,940
don't care what you send them their job

1470
01:05:03,050 --> 01:05:00,000
is to analyze it so there is zero

1471
01:05:05,470 --> 01:05:03,060
resistance to sending someone an object

1472
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:05,480
and having it you know look that

1473
01:05:10,940 --> 01:05:07,770
elementally and isotopically it's easy

1474
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:10,950
if you pay the money now yeah I

1475
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:13,410
understand I understand so it you don't

1476
01:05:18,410 --> 01:05:15,450
have to get into what you think it might

1477
01:05:23,090 --> 01:05:18,420
be you just say you want to know what it

1478
01:05:25,940 --> 01:05:23,100
is you literally give them a sample and

1479
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:25,950
say I want broad spectrum elemental

1480
01:05:30,530 --> 01:05:28,170
analysis and isotopic analysis and you

1481
01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:30,540
choose the elements that you're going to

1482
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:32,430
be looking at isotopically the

1483
01:05:38,060 --> 01:05:34,170
difference between elements and isotopes

1484
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:38,070
is simply the number of neutrons so same

1485
01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:40,770
number of protons so basically if you

1486
01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:44,070
have zinc right stabilised think if you

1487
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:46,050
cut outside of the mountain there's five

1488
01:05:52,100 --> 01:05:48,930
although you can study for the big four

1489
01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:52,110
of zinc you those are different isotopes

1490
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:55,020
that stabilize that zinc and so there

1491
01:05:59,840 --> 01:05:57,930
are terrestrial norms for that zinc so

1492
01:06:02,450 --> 01:05:59,850
everywhere on earth is going to have the

1493
01:06:06,260 --> 01:06:02,460
same ratios of those isotopes and that's

1494
01:06:10,130 --> 01:06:06,270
how we kind of get into origin we can

1495
01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:10,140
tell forensic ly by the isotopes and by

1496
01:06:15,110 --> 01:06:13,500
the ratios and by what they call the ISO

1497
01:06:18,350 --> 01:06:15,120
scape which was really interesting which

1498
01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:18,360
is the isotopic landscape of the known

1499
01:06:24,050 --> 01:06:20,550
earth and beyond Earth if we know a

1500
01:06:25,790 --> 01:06:24,060
little bit where something comes from or

1501
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:25,800
you can learn a lot about it so that's

1502
01:06:31,010 --> 01:06:28,020
what you look at is elements and

1503
01:06:34,250 --> 01:06:31,020
isotopes yes another question that came

1504
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:34,260
in was the material composition of the

1505
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:36,900
object extracted from patient 17 was

1506
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:38,970
made of exotic materials but does not

1507
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:41,190
look like an obvious

1508
01:06:46,910 --> 01:06:44,250
manufactured piece of technology has

1509
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:46,920
there been any study of its potential

1510
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:49,170
purpose rather than its material

1511
01:06:55,790 --> 01:06:52,290
composition yeah that's interesting I

1512
01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:55,800
it's an interesting question the the the

1513
01:07:02,690 --> 01:06:58,170
you have to presuppose there that that

1514
01:07:04,579 --> 01:07:02,700
we know what that would look like to

1515
01:07:06,290 --> 01:07:04,589
serve a certain purpose I mean you know

1516
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:06,300
an airplane looks really strange if

1517
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,450
you're sitting in caveman times so I'm

1518
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:11,520
not exactly sure how to answer that part

1519
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:13,170
of the question because that pre assumes

1520
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:14,790
that you know what something is supposed

1521
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:16,890
to look like depending on what you're

1522
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:20,250
supposing it is but let's back up we

1523
01:07:26,089 --> 01:07:22,740
have to find out what it is on an

1524
01:07:29,059 --> 01:07:26,099
elemental an isotopic level before we

1525
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:29,069
can start to theorize or get an idea of

1526
01:07:33,980 --> 01:07:31,980
its functionality because there are

1527
01:07:36,349 --> 01:07:33,990
certain isotopes and alloys and meta

1528
01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:36,359
materials that do different things and

1529
01:07:40,579 --> 01:07:38,460
this is fascinating in the last 10 years

1530
01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:40,589
we have been developing at an

1531
01:07:45,890 --> 01:07:42,920
exponential rate meta materials

1532
01:07:48,140 --> 01:07:45,900
materials that don't exist in the

1533
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:48,150
natural world and materials that have

1534
01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:51,510
unique properties with physics because

1535
01:07:56,750 --> 01:07:53,849
of their construction a great example of

1536
01:07:59,359 --> 01:07:56,760
that would be graphene's the strongest

1537
01:08:03,740 --> 01:07:59,369
substance ever created by humanity and

1538
01:08:07,370 --> 01:08:03,750
it's basically hexagonal atomic layers

1539
01:08:09,530 --> 01:08:07,380
right and that creates a strength to it

1540
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:09,540
but but it's also a superconductor so I

1541
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,369
have two pieces one out of a Chinese

1542
01:08:14,540 --> 01:08:12,960
nuclear weapon it's it they're amazing

1543
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:14,550
you know you can take them and just

1544
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,049
touch them into an ice cube and they

1545
01:08:20,209 --> 01:08:17,520
slide in like a hot knife through butter

1546
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:20,219
until it freezes in your fingers because

1547
01:08:24,260 --> 01:08:22,049
it's a superconductor but that's because

1548
01:08:26,959 --> 01:08:24,270
of the atomic layering so the meta

1549
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:26,969
materials themselves that makes a

1550
01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:29,580
difference so we need to know the

1551
01:08:32,809 --> 01:08:32,219
composition of these objects before we

1552
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:32,819
can theorize

1553
01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:36,960
but that's my rule yeah dr. Lehrer had a

1554
01:08:42,130 --> 01:08:39,960
different methodology he was pretty sure

1555
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:42,140
because of the compilation of evidence

1556
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:45,540
people's story is the material science

1557
01:08:52,579 --> 01:08:49,080
of this that these objects were indeed

1558
01:08:54,829 --> 01:08:52,589
emitting frequency and one of his tests

1559
01:08:58,579 --> 01:08:54,839
for this was using a Gauss meter a Gauss

1560
01:09:00,649 --> 01:08:58,589
like basically a rudimentary way of

1561
01:09:02,329 --> 01:09:00,659
looking at electromagnetic frequency

1562
01:09:04,609 --> 01:09:02,339
just showing that if you pull it up to a

1563
01:09:06,589 --> 01:09:04,619
battery for example it'll ping it'll go

1564
01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:06,599
off so he'd run it over the guy's leg

1565
01:09:10,370 --> 01:09:08,580
when it's in his leg and it's pinging

1566
01:09:13,010 --> 01:09:10,380
like it like it's emitting a frequency

1567
01:09:15,260 --> 01:09:13,020
and dr. Lear's theory was that there's a

1568
01:09:19,570 --> 01:09:15,270
scalar wave frequency he said kind of a

1569
01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:19,580
fancy term for complex radio wave and

1570
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,960
we're picking up a little part of that

1571
01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:23,580
when we bring the Gauss meter over that

1572
01:09:27,559 --> 01:09:25,259
now that's not my theory I don't

1573
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:27,569
actually subscribe to that it could be

1574
01:09:35,390 --> 01:09:32,130
true I have no idea so his idea was that

1575
01:09:39,620 --> 01:09:35,400
these were beacons that these were

1576
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:39,630
emitting data from the patient to some

1577
01:09:46,849 --> 01:09:43,170
sort of supercomputer an alien Internet

1578
01:09:49,700 --> 01:09:46,859
and the ultimate goal would be to tap in

1579
01:09:51,620 --> 01:09:49,710
to this alien Internet and decipher some

1580
01:09:53,149 --> 01:09:51,630
of what is being transmitted I mean

1581
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:53,159
sounds like sci-fi it sounds totally

1582
01:09:59,979 --> 01:09:56,730
crazy and it might be but that was what

1583
01:10:04,850 --> 01:09:59,989
he and his colleagues were aiming for

1584
01:10:07,879 --> 01:10:04,860
Wow that's that is pretty wild now you

1585
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:07,889
says he and his colleagues so are there

1586
01:10:13,129 --> 01:10:10,170
some people that were working with him

1587
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:13,139
that want to continue on you know yeah

1588
01:10:18,680 --> 01:10:16,050
absolutely there was Steve Coburn who

1589
01:10:20,839 --> 01:10:18,690
was a material scientist and you know he

1590
01:10:21,770 --> 01:10:20,849
claimed you know to have been working

1591
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:21,780
with doctors there for quite some time

1592
01:10:25,609 --> 01:10:23,730
there's a little twist in the movie that

1593
01:10:28,129 --> 01:10:25,619
I that I don't want to give away okay

1594
01:10:30,379 --> 01:10:28,139
but you basically I know the twins you

1595
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:30,389
know yeah yes everybody watch the movie

1596
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:33,480
I was shocked I mean you can hear my

1597
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:36,570
voice I am like shocked in this movie

1598
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:40,290
but anyway Steve Coburn you know he was

1599
01:10:43,550 --> 01:10:41,250
working with dr. Leir

1600
01:10:45,709 --> 01:10:43,560
because of his work on carbon nanotubes

1601
01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:45,719
and he could kind of read the analysis

1602
01:10:49,850 --> 01:10:47,790
knew which laboratories to send it to he

1603
01:10:51,740 --> 01:10:49,860
is a controversial character and he just

1604
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:51,750
is that's nothing I can say about that

1605
01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:54,060
but you know indeed he was helping dr.

1606
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:56,190
Leir and then there was another surgeon

1607
01:11:00,589 --> 01:10:58,170
who would help him when he had to do

1608
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:00,599
surgeries that didn't relate to feet

1609
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:02,610
right because he was a podiatrist

1610
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:05,010
and you know there were a number of

1611
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:08,130
people that kind of helped dr. Leir and

1612
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:09,210
his organ is

1613
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:11,370
and he had trusted colleagues and people

1614
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:13,800
he could go to and have them do scanning

1615
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,890
electron microscopy or whatever and so

1616
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:19,440
that's yeah he had a circle around him

1617
01:11:23,229 --> 01:11:21,449
but you know when you when you die near

1618
01:11:28,430 --> 01:11:23,239
the strongest link things tend to get

1619
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,440
dispersed right right Steve very very

1620
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:30,239
bright you could tell that right off the

1621
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:34,380
bat yeah I really got a kick out of his

1622
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:36,239
house because I'm an appraiser you know

1623
01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:38,730
fine arts and antiques and I'm thinking

1624
01:11:44,660 --> 01:11:41,420
oh my god 1966 his whole house

1625
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:44,670
everything was like from 1966 it was

1626
01:11:48,169 --> 01:11:46,650
pretty funny yeah funny for me that's

1627
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:48,179
that's right I thought that was a cool

1628
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:50,250
scene you know that I try to create a

1629
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:53,610
feeling with each character and a color

1630
01:11:57,530 --> 01:11:55,890
tonality and you'll notice with with

1631
01:11:59,479 --> 01:11:57,540
Steve you know when he's in the

1632
01:12:02,240 --> 01:11:59,489
laboratory it's very blue and then when

1633
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:02,250
he's in his home it's very green and he

1634
01:12:07,340 --> 01:12:05,219
was by this fish tank where he describes

1635
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:07,350
the characteristics of the fish and how

1636
01:12:12,169 --> 01:12:09,420
they treat one another and so it's a

1637
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:12,179
kind of cool scene in his house he needs

1638
01:12:20,419 --> 01:12:17,730
an algae eater by the way so another

1639
01:12:23,959 --> 01:12:20,429
question was the isotope analysis of the

1640
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:23,969
sample removed from patient 17 points to

1641
01:12:29,959 --> 01:12:27,449
now it says this is I'm quoting here

1642
01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:29,969
points to the implant coming from

1643
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:33,600
outside our solar system if not outside

1644
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:36,360
our galaxy could you explain how isotope

1645
01:12:43,700 --> 01:12:40,440
ratios are used to determine this sure

1646
01:12:46,010 --> 01:12:43,710
so yeah I'll make this kind of simple we

1647
01:12:47,780 --> 01:12:46,020
can elaborate a you know if you want to

1648
01:12:50,180 --> 01:12:47,790
this was a real learning curve for me

1649
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,190
and I'm still learning about this but

1650
01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:52,800
what that comment is referring to is

1651
01:13:00,530 --> 01:12:56,460
that one of the findings of object 17

1652
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,540
was that the zinc 64 was you know way

1653
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:02,820
far outside of what would be considered

1654
01:13:10,100 --> 01:13:05,850
the terrestrial norm of the isotope of

1655
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:10,110
zinc 64 here on earth so typically if

1656
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:13,560
you have outside a single percent then

1657
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:15,150
you have something that is non

1658
01:13:19,370 --> 01:13:16,739
terrestrial we study on earth

1659
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,380
extraterrestrial isotopes all the time

1660
01:13:22,590 --> 01:13:21,780
we have tons of scientists to do it

1661
01:13:24,900 --> 01:13:22,600
because you get a me

1662
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:24,910
right and everybody's excited to study

1663
01:13:30,090 --> 01:13:27,610
it you know even moon rocks that were

1664
01:13:31,860 --> 01:13:30,100
brought back from the moon you you can

1665
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:31,870
look at them and see that some of the

1666
01:13:36,630 --> 01:13:33,550
isotopes are vastly different and that's

1667
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:36,640
the way that our supernovae created

1668
01:13:41,490 --> 01:13:39,370
matter in our solar system and solar

1669
01:13:43,950 --> 01:13:41,500
systems around us and it essentially

1670
01:13:45,570 --> 01:13:43,960
created the matter that we have to play

1671
01:13:47,670 --> 01:13:45,580
with here on earth and they're and

1672
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:47,680
they're just laid out in certain ratios

1673
01:13:53,010 --> 01:13:49,540
of isotopes and they vary here on earth

1674
01:13:56,250 --> 01:13:53,020
to a degree but they particularly vary

1675
01:13:59,970 --> 01:13:56,260
when they come from distant places so

1676
01:14:04,190 --> 01:13:59,980
the isotopic analysis we had done show a

1677
01:14:09,810 --> 01:14:04,200
variance in in the zinc 64 isotopes at

1678
01:14:12,270 --> 01:14:09,820
2.5% that is far far far outside the

1679
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:12,280
terrestrial norm now you have to factor

1680
01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:14,590
in if there is an error you have

1681
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:18,100
standard relative deviation of 1.25 if I

1682
01:14:24,230 --> 01:14:20,770
recall so you have to go above or below

1683
01:14:26,790 --> 01:14:24,240
that 2.5 but the general mean you know

1684
01:14:28,980 --> 01:14:26,800
variance was 2.5% outside the

1685
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:28,990
terrestrial norm which basically one of

1686
01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:30,910
the scientists goes on camera and talks

1687
01:14:36,440 --> 01:14:33,400
about how that means this is not made in

1688
01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:36,450
our supernova that means this was made

1689
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:41,320
most likely not of our galaxy again if

1690
01:14:46,770 --> 01:14:44,890
the results are correct and that's a big

1691
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:46,780
that's a big point I called the labs

1692
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:48,370
that I shook him down and because I

1693
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:49,570
talked to mainstream scientists who

1694
01:14:53,790 --> 01:14:51,550
wouldn't go on camera and a lot of them

1695
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:53,800
had crazier theories the next to

1696
01:14:56,610 --> 01:14:55,210
terrestrial isotopes you know they were

1697
01:14:58,410 --> 01:14:56,620
like you're being lied to

1698
01:15:02,430 --> 01:14:58,420
the lab is pulling one over on you it's

1699
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:02,440
a federal offense to change results the

1700
01:15:06,420 --> 01:15:04,620
latter would have to be that's crazy so

1701
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:06,430
so that's what he means

1702
01:15:10,460 --> 01:15:08,530
in the movie or probably that's what

1703
01:15:12,690 --> 01:15:10,470
you're the question from your guest was

1704
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:12,700
talking about is that you can tell

1705
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:16,510
through you know I you know the isotopic

1706
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:20,560
landscape of the cosmos up here on earth

1707
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:23,110
and outside of the earth kind of where

1708
01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:25,210
things come from and this is so far

1709
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:27,900
outside the terrestrial norm that it's a

1710
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:32,320
pretty astounding right um yeah I think

1711
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:36,640
there was what 36 was 36 elements

1712
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:39,520
elements which is for a little tiny

1713
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:43,210
object is really bizarre I think as far

1714
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:45,610
as you know what it is yeah that itself

1715
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:48,310
is is quite unique I mean it's majority

1716
01:15:53,130 --> 01:15:50,170
iron so we're talking about parts per

1717
01:15:55,380 --> 01:15:53,140
million right but there's having 36

1718
01:15:57,450 --> 01:15:55,390
different elements in a single sample

1719
01:15:59,190 --> 01:15:57,460
that's why I talked and worked with a

1720
01:16:01,770 --> 01:15:59,200
lot of nanotechnologists who create and

1721
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:01,780
fabricate you know even in particle

1722
01:16:07,740 --> 01:16:04,210
accelerators you get these unique meta

1723
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:07,750
materials and and they say maybe in the

1724
01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:11,410
most complex alloys that we have you

1725
01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:15,430
will find four major elements combined

1726
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:18,520
one of the Nano physicists that you've

1727
01:16:22,350 --> 01:16:20,890
referenced nano man his name is Chris

1728
01:16:23,700 --> 01:16:22,360
Cooper I just think it's cool to give

1729
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:23,710
him a superhero's name because he's kind

1730
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:26,530
of a cool guy so I called nano man but

1731
01:16:33,030 --> 01:16:29,920
you know he said this is a witch's brew

1732
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:33,040
of elements the most astounding array of

1733
01:16:38,130 --> 01:16:35,530
elements that he has ever seen and and

1734
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:38,140
that holds weight coming from a guy who

1735
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:41,910
literally fabricates metamaterials i

1736
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:46,090
know he was he seemed very passionate

1737
01:16:53,190 --> 01:16:49,600
about talking about this what was uh

1738
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:53,200
what was involved in the elements yeah

1739
01:16:58,050 --> 01:16:55,930
well it was really exciting for him

1740
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:58,060
because look a lot of people that didn't

1741
01:17:01,620 --> 01:16:59,920
go on camera they were kind of squares

1742
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:01,630
you know they were kind of like these

1743
01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:04,210
scientists who like one got written up

1744
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:06,070
in the New York Times a little bit after

1745
01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:07,330
I went saw him and he didn't want to

1746
01:17:10,980 --> 01:17:09,910
risk that and you know there's a lot of

1747
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:10,990
scientists that didn't want to be

1748
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:14,290
involved with this idea of an alien

1749
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:16,810
implant removal I mean I kind of didn't

1750
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:18,850
want to be involved with it so I can

1751
01:17:25,140 --> 01:17:22,480
understand but nano man interestingly

1752
01:17:27,150 --> 01:17:25,150
enough you know he will talk openly with

1753
01:17:29,850 --> 01:17:27,160
me and he's excited about the results

1754
01:17:33,420 --> 01:17:29,860
because how I got turned on to him was

1755
01:17:34,890 --> 01:17:33,430
from a naval contact who in naval

1756
01:17:36,690 --> 01:17:34,900
intelligence contact who basically said

1757
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:36,700
use that a look at what this guy is

1758
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:40,210
doing with propulsion it is astounding I

1759
01:17:44,970 --> 01:17:42,130
was like okay so I'm what met nano man

1760
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:44,980
turns out and you learn that in my nano

1761
01:17:50,100 --> 01:17:47,290
man series which right now have on my

1762
01:17:53,340 --> 01:17:50,110
website a few of the shorts he

1763
01:17:54,180 --> 01:17:53,350
learned the possibilities of what he's

1764
01:17:57,090 --> 01:17:54,190
doing now

1765
01:18:00,060 --> 01:17:57,100
from encounters with unknown

1766
01:18:02,460 --> 01:18:00,070
intelligences so he claims which is

1767
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:02,470
interesting proof is in the pudding he's

1768
01:18:06,660 --> 01:18:04,090
a great scientist doesn't really matter

1769
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:06,670
where he says he learned it from isn't

1770
01:18:13,530 --> 01:18:09,730
that that is really something I remember

1771
01:18:17,330 --> 01:18:13,540
this I remember talking with you I don't

1772
01:18:19,470 --> 01:18:17,340
know a couple years ago about him

1773
01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:19,480
because we're you were gonna do a show

1774
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:22,420
on something I was involved in I don't

1775
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:24,010
know if you remember that really oh yeah

1776
01:18:28,980 --> 01:18:26,590
you were talking about you and at the

1777
01:18:32,610 --> 01:18:28,990
time he you he wanted to remain

1778
01:18:35,550 --> 01:18:32,620
anonymous yes you did yes how about that

1779
01:18:39,300 --> 01:18:35,560
so yeah well he came he came out I mean

1780
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:39,310
yeah yeah and do you think when someone

1781
01:18:46,620 --> 01:18:43,360
like him will actually you know say

1782
01:18:48,510 --> 01:18:46,630
their name is you think that in any type

1783
01:18:49,370 --> 01:18:48,520
of way that this will affect him

1784
01:18:51,810 --> 01:18:49,380
negatively

1785
01:18:57,060 --> 01:18:51,820
you know everybody's so afraid of that

1786
01:18:59,940 --> 01:18:57,070
and it's so funny how I I am so you know

1787
01:19:02,580 --> 01:18:59,950
I've experienced such such a difference

1788
01:19:05,610 --> 01:19:02,590
to that when I tell people I make

1789
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:05,620
documentary films on the subject of UFOs

1790
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:08,010
both from a government perspective

1791
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:10,930
scientific perspective to even allege

1792
01:19:15,150 --> 01:19:12,370
alien implant removals people are like

1793
01:19:17,070 --> 01:19:15,160
wow that's so cool I want to see this

1794
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:17,080
stuff I mean no one really rolls their

1795
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:20,590
eyes at me so when you hear nano man who

1796
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:21,730
had you know as a government-funded

1797
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:23,650
physicist for a lot of his life I mean

1798
01:19:27,690 --> 01:19:25,450
you figure a lot of people have to take

1799
01:19:29,550 --> 01:19:27,700
they take a chance by coming out and

1800
01:19:32,870 --> 01:19:29,560
talking about this stuff I you know

1801
01:19:36,450 --> 01:19:32,880
people don't really have this negative

1802
01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:36,460
look at you when you do this the patient

1803
01:19:39,870 --> 01:19:38,500
17 he was really where the people are

1804
01:19:41,870 --> 01:19:39,880
gonna recognize him it you know he

1805
01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:41,880
there's a picture of his face basically

1806
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:44,620
you know application of it on the poster

1807
01:19:50,100 --> 01:19:46,860
for the film and man it's everywhere and

1808
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:50,110
funny enough you know you he has one

1809
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,610
buddy you know he went bike you know

1810
01:19:54,090 --> 01:19:52,960
motorcycle riding with who just kind of

1811
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:54,100
won't talk to him anymore and his

1812
01:19:56,930 --> 01:19:55,690
religious friends maybe there's a couple

1813
01:20:00,450 --> 01:19:56,940
people who thought it was weird but

1814
01:20:03,540 --> 01:20:00,460
overall you know he had a couple jobs

1815
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:03,550
that he was doing and that people had

1816
01:20:06,140 --> 01:20:04,080
seen the moon

1817
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:06,150
see and they were excited to talk with

1818
01:20:11,210 --> 01:20:08,310
him about it so I hear you know I don't

1819
01:20:13,010 --> 01:20:11,220
know I'm not a scientist and I have the

1820
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:13,020
luxury of being a filmmaker and doing

1821
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:14,610
weird stuff but I really don't think

1822
01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:16,590
people give you the cold shoulder on

1823
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:18,660
this stuff anymore yeah I'm feeling the

1824
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:20,130
same way because you know I have a

1825
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:23,280
professional job that I do you know I'm

1826
01:20:27,650 --> 01:20:25,770
a fine arts appraiser and there's been a

1827
01:20:29,930 --> 01:20:27,660
couple of times where people who are

1828
01:20:32,630 --> 01:20:29,940
looking for my appraisal website and

1829
01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:32,640
found the UFO website and they're like

1830
01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:35,100
wow that's really cool instead of you

1831
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:36,450
know of course I probably won't ever

1832
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:38,930
hear from the ones that think otherwise

1833
01:20:44,990 --> 01:20:41,730
right but in general I think that you'll

1834
01:20:47,210 --> 01:20:45,000
kind of have this experience too which

1835
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:47,220
is that people don't look at this the

1836
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:50,730
same way that they did 20 years ago and

1837
01:20:56,480 --> 01:20:53,760
when we might have been starting getting

1838
01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:56,490
interested in this I I started was 13 I

1839
01:21:00,260 --> 01:20:58,050
would talk to people about this stuff

1840
01:21:02,180 --> 01:21:00,270
and when I got serious about it talking

1841
01:21:04,190 --> 01:21:02,190
about bob lazar propulsion systems and

1842
01:21:06,380 --> 01:21:04,200
you know gravity wave amplifiers and

1843
01:21:09,500 --> 01:21:06,390
this sort element 1 to 15 oh my gosh

1844
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,510
people would just totally dismiss you

1845
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:11,760
because that was the attitude back then

1846
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:15,600
but times have changed oh boy oh yes

1847
01:21:19,190 --> 01:21:17,790
now I do want to talk about Bob Lazar I

1848
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:19,200
got a bunch of notes here so I don't

1849
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:21,930
want to forget certain things I do want

1850
01:21:28,370 --> 01:21:26,010
to talk to you about Bob but I think I

1851
01:21:29,630 --> 01:21:28,380
think I want to kind of wrap it up a

1852
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:29,640
little bit for this film we'll talk

1853
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:31,770
about it as we're closing just to make

1854
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:33,450
sure you know people will check it out

1855
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:36,810
but I want to know what happened with

1856
01:21:42,410 --> 01:21:39,330
Steve toward the end of the film are you

1857
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,420
actually talking to him again I am I am

1858
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,400
and so yeah if people watch the film

1859
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,320
you'll see a point of contention in

1860
01:21:50,050 --> 01:21:47,760
towards the end of the film there

1861
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:50,060
there's there's some issues with this

1862
01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:52,650
investigation that arose and that's just

1863
01:21:57,290 --> 01:21:54,300
part of the storytelling what I show you

1864
01:22:00,500 --> 01:21:57,300
my film I show you the roller coaster of

1865
01:22:03,230 --> 01:22:00,510
ups and downs that I went on and you

1866
01:22:06,500 --> 01:22:03,240
will go on that too by watching the film

1867
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:06,510
but yeah I'm happy to say everything is

1868
01:22:10,940 --> 01:22:07,800
is good

1869
01:22:13,630 --> 01:22:10,950
we're in communication and we're making

1870
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:13,640
progress okay just one more thing about

1871
01:22:20,330 --> 01:22:18,210
dr. Leir was that did he suddenly

1872
01:22:24,170 --> 01:22:20,340
pass away and had no idea that he had

1873
01:22:27,470 --> 01:22:24,180
heart issues yeah it was sudden I mean I

1874
01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,480
believe I talked to him the morning of

1875
01:22:32,060 --> 01:22:30,000
or it was just the day before I still

1876
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:32,070
don't remember you know I've been trying

1877
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:34,050
to figure that one out but I had talked

1878
01:22:36,830 --> 01:22:36,420
to him and he was fine it was out of the

1879
01:22:39,709 --> 01:22:36,840
blue

1880
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:39,719
well full-on heart attack and I mean he

1881
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,730
had health issues you know he was older

1882
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:44,400
you know and he did have health issues

1883
01:22:49,010 --> 01:22:46,410
it wasn't like something nefarious he

1884
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:49,020
just he had a heart attack and lived a

1885
01:22:53,959 --> 01:22:51,600
great life and sad to see him go it's a

1886
01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:53,969
loss of a friend a loss of a giant in

1887
01:23:01,160 --> 01:22:57,390
the field of ufology and in a unique

1888
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:01,170
area of the world of ufology yes but his

1889
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,300
research his research will live on and

1890
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:05,640
definitely through my film I feel I got

1891
01:23:09,650 --> 01:23:06,960
to show him most of it and he was really

1892
01:23:12,380 --> 01:23:09,660
happy and proud and you know I'm glad I

1893
01:23:16,100 --> 01:23:12,390
was able to document his I'm glad I said

1894
01:23:18,860 --> 01:23:16,110
yes yeah excellent okay well thank you

1895
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:18,870
for that nice work and I hope it does

1896
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:21,570
really well all right so I wanted to

1897
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:25,080
talk to you about the topics including

1898
01:23:34,459 --> 01:23:31,130
the skinwalker ranch Bob Lazar and but

1899
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:34,469
before that I wanted to wrap up a little

1900
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:36,450
bit more on what we talked about earlier

1901
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:40,890
and that's the USS Nimitz you know UFO

1902
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:43,800
encounter I think it was 2004 November

1903
01:23:52,100 --> 01:23:48,960
14th is that the right year yeah 2004

1904
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:52,110
November 14th was the peak of the

1905
01:23:55,700 --> 01:23:53,850
activity it's actually started November

1906
01:23:57,979 --> 01:23:55,710
10th when we're talking about this

1907
01:24:01,220 --> 01:23:57,989
particular case just off the coast of

1908
01:24:03,650 --> 01:24:01,230
San Diego with the USS Nimitz there's

1909
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:03,660
more to come on that but this case yes

1910
01:24:08,990 --> 01:24:06,570
where's the toot yeah can we for the

1911
01:24:12,170 --> 01:24:09,000
listener that it's unfamiliar with it a

1912
01:24:14,209 --> 01:24:12,180
lot of people are calling this the Tom

1913
01:24:17,959 --> 01:24:14,219
DeLonge case and I think that's him

1914
01:24:21,140 --> 01:24:17,969
that's not really that's ridiculous yes

1915
01:24:23,090 --> 01:24:21,150
yes ridiculous yeah so can you you were

1916
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:23,100
working on this well before it was ever

1917
01:24:28,729 --> 01:24:25,770
talked about yes the listener that's

1918
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:28,739
unfamiliar can and I also want to talk

1919
01:24:32,210 --> 01:24:31,590
about meta bunk and Mick West's what he

1920
01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:32,220
thinks

1921
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:36,840
a little butt or do you want to just

1922
01:24:42,230 --> 01:24:38,940
start out but let's talk about that

1923
01:24:43,460 --> 01:24:42,240
right off the bat because I like Mick

1924
01:24:45,620 --> 01:24:43,470
you like Mick

1925
01:24:47,930 --> 01:24:45,630
he has debunked a lot of things that

1926
01:24:51,620 --> 01:24:47,940
actually needed to bunking but in the

1927
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:51,630
case we can't be too hard on him he's a

1928
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:53,610
small little voice in this much larger

1929
01:24:57,370 --> 01:24:55,140
world and I think he just made a little

1930
01:25:00,230 --> 01:24:57,380
Facebook post based upon you know my

1931
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:00,240
website where I posted the the video

1932
01:25:02,900 --> 01:25:01,770
that came out you know he doesn't have

1933
01:25:04,250 --> 01:25:02,910
all the information he's a great

1934
01:25:05,480 --> 01:25:04,260
researcher we'll talk about him in a

1935
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:05,490
second let me just give you the the

1936
01:25:09,740 --> 01:25:08,130
rundown the basics for the case yeah I

1937
01:25:11,570 --> 01:25:09,750
am the first person to talk about it

1938
01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:11,580
publicly I did that with coast to coast

1939
01:25:15,620 --> 01:25:13,320
with George Knapp quite some time ago I

1940
01:25:18,020 --> 01:25:15,630
was fishing at the time for extra

1941
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:18,030
witnesses through coast to coast which I

1942
01:25:25,180 --> 01:25:20,910
did achieve you know so here again if

1943
01:25:28,670 --> 01:25:25,190
anybody was working on the USS Nimitz in

1944
01:25:31,390 --> 01:25:28,680
2004 I would like to hear from you and

1945
01:25:34,340 --> 01:25:31,400
specifically if you were on board

1946
01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:34,350
November 10th through November 14th for

1947
01:25:39,890 --> 01:25:36,030
the preparation missions that was going

1948
01:25:41,420 --> 01:25:39,900
on to see I have many many many people

1949
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:41,430
that I'm speaking with and have been

1950
01:25:47,030 --> 01:25:43,650
speaking with for years you know from

1951
01:25:50,300 --> 01:25:47,040
this event I was tipped off to it early

1952
01:25:52,190 --> 01:25:50,310
early on and I was lucky but I wasn't

1953
01:25:54,650 --> 01:25:52,200
allowed to talk about it because none of

1954
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:54,660
it was public and then I came across a

1955
01:25:59,600 --> 01:25:57,210
public article written by in an obscure

1956
01:26:01,970 --> 01:25:59,610
aviation blog by a guy named Paco who's

1957
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:01,980
an incredible pilot in and of himself

1958
01:26:06,650 --> 01:26:04,410
and he was writing about his friends

1959
01:26:07,820 --> 01:26:06,660
experience and rather than blasting

1960
01:26:09,950 --> 01:26:07,830
their names and out all over the

1961
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:09,960
airwaves I'm just gonna say it's all out

1962
01:26:13,610 --> 01:26:12,450
there for people to see but this was

1963
01:26:14,690 --> 01:26:13,620
something that was documented and

1964
01:26:16,220 --> 01:26:14,700
written down and I was given the

1965
01:26:18,380 --> 01:26:16,230
go-ahead to reach out to all the

1966
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:18,390
primaries and and try to speak with him

1967
01:26:23,210 --> 01:26:20,970
try to make headway which I did quietly

1968
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:23,220
for quite some time and it was something

1969
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:26,310
that no UFO researcher was looking into

1970
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:28,980
and at the time that I started and I was

1971
01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:31,890
real lucky to kind of make headway and

1972
01:26:36,610 --> 01:26:35,100
earn and maintain the trust of the

1973
01:26:44,140 --> 01:26:36,620
principles involved in this case but

1974
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:44,150
look this is an astounding UFO and us oh

1975
01:26:47,990 --> 01:26:46,170
experience there's a lot

1976
01:26:49,820 --> 01:26:48,000
people don't know about this case and I

1977
01:26:51,830 --> 01:26:49,830
hope that's gonna be coming out soon I

1978
01:26:54,110 --> 01:26:51,840
certainly will be doing my part in

1979
01:26:56,780 --> 01:26:54,120
talking about it but off the coast of

1980
01:26:59,240 --> 01:26:56,790
San Diego there was a fleet commander

1981
01:27:01,880 --> 01:26:59,250
and at the time was admiral durwood C

1982
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:01,890
Curtis I am now naming names right he

1983
01:27:07,660 --> 01:27:04,170
was the big dog in charge and the

1984
01:27:10,729 --> 01:27:07,670
captain at the time was Vice Admiral oh

1985
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:10,739
you know it was it was it wasn't Ted

1986
01:27:15,979 --> 01:27:13,610
branch Ted branch came after it was a

1987
01:27:17,780 --> 01:27:15,989
kill or something I'll look up his name

1988
01:27:19,910 --> 01:27:17,790
but basically you've got these people

1989
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,920
that are you know kind of taking control

1990
01:27:24,650 --> 01:27:21,600
of this situation where they're

1991
01:27:26,209 --> 01:27:24,660
deploying out on a mission and you have

1992
01:27:29,959 --> 01:27:26,219
these fighter pilots that are on a

1993
01:27:32,630 --> 01:27:29,969
routine run and they get calls and the

1994
01:27:34,130 --> 01:27:32,640
calls are what ordnance do you have on

1995
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:34,140
board and their thing and what ordnance

1996
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:35,760
we're right off the coast of San Diego

1997
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:37,890
so they're radio back in what ordnance

1998
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:41,040
and they're given a point to go to and

1999
01:27:49,850 --> 01:27:46,080
to go investigate an unknown so they go

2000
01:27:52,790 --> 01:27:49,860
and they fly out and one person in

2001
01:27:56,419 --> 01:27:52,800
particular was able to make visual

2002
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:56,429
contact with this object that resembled

2003
01:28:03,050 --> 01:27:59,760
a large maybe 45 feet in diameter

2004
01:28:06,620 --> 01:28:03,060
tic-tac right so it was this white

2005
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:06,630
porcelain object now why they were told

2006
01:28:10,729 --> 01:28:07,920
to go look at this is because these

2007
01:28:14,990 --> 01:28:10,739
things were coming in over the course of

2008
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:15,000
days from the top range of the radar

2009
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:17,130
system that we had on board there 80,000

2010
01:28:24,830 --> 01:28:20,880
feet and dropping down from presumably

2011
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:24,840
way above that dropping down to 50 feet

2012
01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:28,110
and stopping on a dime and they did this

2013
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,080
within a matter of seconds and it was in

2014
01:28:36,890 --> 01:28:33,600
the words of one of the pilots docking

2015
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:36,900
with something under the water 747 sized

2016
01:28:43,939 --> 01:28:40,770
circle of churning water it was black in

2017
01:28:45,650 --> 01:28:43,949
color and literally these tic tacs as

2018
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:45,660
they call them would drop down and just

2019
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,170
dock

2020
01:28:51,740 --> 01:28:48,960
so one individual got visual

2021
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:51,750
confirmation was told to lock on it

2022
01:28:56,570 --> 01:28:53,760
which is typical you'd lock on it so

2023
01:28:58,490 --> 01:28:56,580
that all your systems can fire if needed

2024
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,500
but also just have your cameras focused

2025
01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:00,000
on and this thing was active

2026
01:29:08,450 --> 01:29:05,150
jamming our most high-tech weaponry and

2027
01:29:11,330 --> 01:29:08,460
most of our electronics that we have in

2028
01:29:16,510 --> 01:29:11,340
America here so that was disconcerning

2029
01:29:20,810 --> 01:29:16,520
and there is footage that footage has

2030
01:29:24,230 --> 01:29:20,820
was leaked actually back in you know

2031
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:24,240
2004 time 2005 and that was the early

2032
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:25,710
days of YouTube and all this stuff so

2033
01:29:30,140 --> 01:29:28,290
people didn't capture it very easily but

2034
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:30,150
then it was passed around on videotapes

2035
01:29:34,540 --> 01:29:31,770
to a lot of these other pilots and

2036
01:29:38,090 --> 01:29:34,550
people who had engaged this phenomenon

2037
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:38,100
during this time and a copy of that

2038
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:42,000
footage has now resurfaced everybody was

2039
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:44,880
worried about classification it's you

2040
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:47,370
know questionable we don't know but I

2041
01:29:51,860 --> 01:29:49,890
can confirm to you that the person that

2042
01:29:55,250 --> 01:29:51,870
shot that footage confirms to me that

2043
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:55,260
that is his footage so that what you're

2044
01:29:59,870 --> 01:29:58,050
seeing that FLIR footage that you know

2045
01:30:02,720 --> 01:29:59,880
people have pushed around it's it's on

2046
01:30:06,890 --> 01:30:02,730
my site that is actual that is real and

2047
01:30:09,020 --> 01:30:06,900
yes mick west took a stab at it trying

2048
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:09,030
to analyze it with limited information

2049
01:30:14,030 --> 01:30:12,510
but so did Bruce Maccabee and Bruce

2050
01:30:16,580 --> 01:30:14,040
Maccabee did this for the United States

2051
01:30:20,270 --> 01:30:16,590
Navy he came out with different thoughts

2052
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:20,280
on it make West is usually right on he's

2053
01:30:25,070 --> 01:30:22,170
helped me with an investigation actually

2054
01:30:28,460 --> 01:30:25,080
a long time ago before I knew him before

2055
01:30:30,170 --> 01:30:28,470
I knew of him when I had the when I do

2056
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:30,180
gunked my own UFO setting that was

2057
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,610
pretty fun and Mick helped me do that so

2058
01:30:38,990 --> 01:30:35,280
it was the Red Bull skydiving team and I

2059
01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:39,000
found the head of the plane with with

2060
01:30:43,820 --> 01:30:42,360
the you know fire on his ankles you know

2061
01:30:45,260 --> 01:30:43,830
coming out of the plane is really cool

2062
01:30:46,750 --> 01:30:45,270
and I never said I thought what it was

2063
01:30:48,710 --> 01:30:46,760
there's asking people what it was and

2064
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:48,720
Mick actually did a lot of like

2065
01:30:52,940 --> 01:30:50,910
triangulation for that so somehow I kind

2066
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:52,950
of do know Mick and he does great work

2067
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:54,530
and I think what you're referencing is

2068
01:31:00,050 --> 01:30:57,570
that he said that you know to him it

2069
01:31:02,990 --> 01:31:00,060
appears it's a classic plane at however

2070
01:31:05,480 --> 01:31:03,000
far away and I mean it makes very little

2071
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:05,490
sense what he said so I think that he

2072
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:08,850
just is playing off a very small amount

2073
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:11,370
of data yeah where you have Bruce

2074
01:31:16,940 --> 01:31:13,650
maccabe's analysis

2075
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:16,950
frame by frame and it's much much more

2076
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:20,370
insightful but I hope to give maybe Mick

2077
01:31:23,660 --> 01:31:21,930
a little bit more data when it comes out

2078
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:23,670
like I will everybody a little more data

2079
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:26,250
and see what people think then you know

2080
01:31:31,220 --> 01:31:28,650
I didn't know of this other parts that

2081
01:31:34,580 --> 01:31:31,230
there were multiple sightings you know

2082
01:31:37,820 --> 01:31:34,590
leading up to this and I owe ya were you

2083
01:31:40,100 --> 01:31:37,830
ever hearing about there was one pilot

2084
01:31:41,750 --> 01:31:40,110
that saw some churning or some bubbles

2085
01:31:45,500 --> 01:31:41,760
in the water but I didn't hear about

2086
01:31:47,630 --> 01:31:45,510
yeah the docking well no no you wouldn't

2087
01:31:50,900 --> 01:31:47,640
this is not public I'm the only person

2088
01:31:53,690 --> 01:31:50,910
these pilots are speaking with so you

2089
01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:53,700
know nobody would hear about this there

2090
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:55,170
was an intelligence report written in

2091
01:32:00,170 --> 01:31:57,330
2007 nobody's gonna be seeing that

2092
01:32:02,090 --> 01:32:00,180
either so most likely nobody's gonna be

2093
01:32:04,010 --> 01:32:02,100
seeing that so I'm telling you straight

2094
01:32:06,740 --> 01:32:04,020
from the horse's mouth some of what

2095
01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:06,750
occurred on that day and that's the

2096
01:32:10,100 --> 01:32:08,070
thing that people don't understand is

2097
01:32:12,740 --> 01:32:10,110
that there's very limited information

2098
01:32:15,380 --> 01:32:12,750
out there I'm fighting to get more

2099
01:32:17,690 --> 01:32:15,390
information out to people and I will say

2100
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:17,700
as well and again this is something that

2101
01:32:23,210 --> 01:32:20,490
will be corroborated later this is not

2102
01:32:27,140 --> 01:32:23,220
an isolated event this November 10th

2103
01:32:31,340 --> 01:32:27,150
through 14th in 2004 it is not an

2104
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:31,350
isolated event so this is it's a big

2105
01:32:36,890 --> 01:32:33,450
case it's really big now the fact that

2106
01:32:41,060 --> 01:32:36,900
Tom DeLonge and his group mentioned it

2107
01:32:43,190 --> 01:32:41,070
on stage I see as a great thing because

2108
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:43,200
I think it was Steve justice who

2109
01:32:46,460 --> 01:32:44,970
mentioned it on stage if you can correct

2110
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:46,470
me but I think that was him no I think

2111
01:32:50,690 --> 01:32:48,600
it was Chris melon oh no you're right it

2112
01:32:54,260 --> 01:32:50,700
was Chris melon yeah so Chris melon

2113
01:32:56,660 --> 01:32:54,270
I mean look badass dude and and he's

2114
01:32:57,170 --> 01:32:56,670
coming on stage and if you've watched it

2115
01:33:01,550 --> 01:32:57,180
again

2116
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:01,560
he gives you the exact google terms to

2117
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:04,410
punch into your computer and to find

2118
01:33:11,090 --> 01:33:07,770
this one obscure aviation blog which

2119
01:33:13,790 --> 01:33:11,100
will then lead you to this entire report

2120
01:33:16,610 --> 01:33:13,800
and then he challenged Congress saying

2121
01:33:18,710 --> 01:33:16,620
you cannot do your job if you do not ask

2122
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:18,720
for the information on this case I mean

2123
01:33:22,580 --> 01:33:20,850
it was a shot across the bow now that

2124
01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:22,590
doesn't mean I mean Tom's a friend I

2125
01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:25,110
talked to him once in a while I work

2126
01:33:27,540 --> 01:33:26,910
with some of the people that he works

2127
01:33:29,340 --> 01:33:27,550
with

2128
01:33:32,130 --> 01:33:29,350
we know each other this is not like some

2129
01:33:34,050 --> 01:33:32,140
big mystery the fact they used this case

2130
01:33:35,670 --> 01:33:34,060
was because it is very promising it

2131
01:33:38,010 --> 01:33:35,680
doesn't mean that they they have tons of

2132
01:33:40,890 --> 01:33:38,020
information on this case it's just that

2133
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:40,900
it's very promising so I'm trying to

2134
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:42,250
encourage some of the witnesses that

2135
01:33:49,620 --> 01:33:44,530
that I am only the only one in contact

2136
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:49,630
with to be receptive to Tom's group

2137
01:33:57,300 --> 01:33:54,000
reaching out to them because for example

2138
01:33:58,770 --> 01:33:57,310
Lula Lu or you know that one of the guys

2139
01:34:00,060 --> 01:33:58,780
on you know worked at the Pentagon with

2140
01:34:02,250 --> 01:34:00,070
what they call the anomalous aerial

2141
01:34:04,230 --> 01:34:02,260
threat Department which now we know

2142
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:04,240
about that there was one some people

2143
01:34:08,130 --> 01:34:05,530
that say nothing happened on that

2144
01:34:10,500 --> 01:34:08,140
announcement you know you open your eyes

2145
01:34:12,690 --> 01:34:10,510
and open your ears are you kidding me

2146
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:12,700
you now know there was a department in

2147
01:34:16,230 --> 01:34:14,290
the Pentagon dedicated to anomalous

2148
01:34:17,910 --> 01:34:16,240
aerial threats we never knew that we

2149
01:34:19,440 --> 01:34:17,920
always suspected that but we never knew

2150
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:19,450
that and there's Lu standing there

2151
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:22,000
saying not only that it does it exist I

2152
01:34:27,780 --> 01:34:26,080
ran it and I did so for many years and I

2153
01:34:29,670 --> 01:34:27,790
believe that these are not of this world

2154
01:34:31,710 --> 01:34:29,680
I believe these are UFOs I believe that

2155
01:34:33,690 --> 01:34:31,720
the we can learn something from these

2156
01:34:37,020 --> 01:34:33,700
other entities technology I mean that's

2157
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:37,030
what he's saying to you so with him at

2158
01:34:42,870 --> 01:34:39,730
the helm I think Tom's group has this

2159
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:42,880
really powerful position to protect some

2160
01:34:47,730 --> 01:34:45,610
of the witnesses because of their oaths

2161
01:34:51,210 --> 01:34:47,740
and classifications I think that they

2162
01:34:53,220 --> 01:34:51,220
can help Stuart this case out to the

2163
01:34:55,380 --> 01:34:53,230
public in ways that a lone researcher

2164
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:55,390
like me simply can't I mean that's the

2165
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,770
reason I couldn't talk about it all

2166
01:35:01,860 --> 01:34:58,960
these years was because I was you know

2167
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:01,870
bound by their secrecy or but by their

2168
01:35:08,580 --> 01:35:04,570
oaths I don't have one but they do so

2169
01:35:13,170 --> 01:35:08,590
maybe Tom's group will have more ability

2170
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:13,180
and so I support that well I know Robert

2171
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:16,530
Powell is has been trying to get FOIAs

2172
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,930
great yes so and I know it's frustrating

2173
01:35:23,400 --> 01:35:21,520
he can't get very far

2174
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,410
oh he it's gonna be very frustrating you

2175
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:25,360
know one of the pilots kind of chuckled

2176
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:27,370
at that you know because I mean not not

2177
01:35:31,980 --> 01:35:29,650
to say Robert shouldn't do it Robert is

2178
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:31,990
doing everything he can in the position

2179
01:35:36,390 --> 01:35:34,480
he's in to find out as much as he can

2180
01:35:39,630 --> 01:35:36,400
and get it out and I highly respect that

2181
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:39,640
I think that is you know the that is the

2182
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:40,930
type of work that we need

2183
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:42,850
every angle every person but are we

2184
01:35:46,440 --> 01:35:44,530
gonna get a laughing for us I can right

2185
01:35:48,030 --> 01:35:46,450
now tell you there was a 2007

2186
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:48,040
intelligence investigation that wrapped

2187
01:35:54,030 --> 01:35:52,210
all of this up and so what an access is

2188
01:35:55,860 --> 01:35:54,040
he gonna get through that it doesn't

2189
01:35:58,830 --> 01:35:55,870
matter he should still do it because

2190
01:36:00,990 --> 01:35:58,840
that applies pressure so and he actually

2191
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:01,000
did learn some interesting things from

2192
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:03,250
the Soyuz so good on him

2193
01:36:10,430 --> 01:36:05,920
now when when these people you spoke

2194
01:36:13,260 --> 01:36:10,440
with we're talking about this experience

2195
01:36:15,450 --> 01:36:13,270
did it you know did you ask them

2196
01:36:17,250 --> 01:36:15,460
something like well what did this change

2197
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:17,260
in your life you know I mean this this

2198
01:36:24,330 --> 01:36:20,320
is pretty major yeah well actually I had

2199
01:36:25,890 --> 01:36:24,340
a list of questions by an admiral one of

2200
01:36:27,570 --> 01:36:25,900
the most highest ranking individuals

2201
01:36:28,620 --> 01:36:27,580
that I've ever communicated with and

2202
01:36:30,690 --> 01:36:28,630
that list questions from that

2203
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:30,700
perspective I had elicit questions from

2204
01:36:38,130 --> 01:36:32,730
a couple scientists who have a

2205
01:36:41,490 --> 01:36:38,140
long-standing an ongoing how would you

2206
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:41,500
say knowledge of this type of experience

2207
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:44,320
and I had a list of questions from them

2208
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:45,730
that were everything from psychological

2209
01:36:49,410 --> 01:36:47,970
down to the very practical and physical

2210
01:36:51,210 --> 01:36:49,420
so yeah

2211
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:51,220
I've asked if there's a question I've

2212
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:54,010
pretty much asked it and I don't know if

2213
01:37:00,150 --> 01:36:55,840
you ever talked of fighter pilots but

2214
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:00,160
you know they're there if you don't ask

2215
01:37:05,100 --> 01:37:03,400
the right question or you don't even ask

2216
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:05,110
that question they're not gonna offer

2217
01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:07,360
you any information that's just and and

2218
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:10,710
then also you know fighter pilots are

2219
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:13,570
you know sometimes their grasp is beyond

2220
01:37:19,650 --> 01:37:15,010
their reach you know they're they're

2221
01:37:22,590 --> 01:37:19,660
real air cowboys so right people don't

2222
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:22,600
admit weakness first of all because

2223
01:37:28,860 --> 01:37:26,770
that's your career right yeah and you're

2224
01:37:30,180 --> 01:37:28,870
always the best at what you do but you

2225
01:37:32,610 --> 01:37:30,190
know I'm know I'm happy to report and

2226
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:32,620
say that nobody had any ill effects when

2227
01:37:40,890 --> 01:37:36,000
it came to this experience other than

2228
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:40,900
their curiosity was weaponized yeah what

2229
01:37:50,430 --> 01:37:44,560
you're famous saying there so when they

2230
01:37:52,680 --> 01:37:50,440
were actually seeing this did they do

2231
01:37:54,879 --> 01:37:52,690
more filming that you're aware of or

2232
01:37:59,049 --> 01:37:54,889
take pictures yes

2233
01:38:02,540 --> 01:37:59,059
yes I am aware of multiple streams of

2234
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:02,550
documentation on these objects now what

2235
01:38:08,959 --> 01:38:05,760
is public kind of is that little bit of

2236
01:38:12,919 --> 01:38:08,969
leaked gun cam footage or head cam FLIR

2237
01:38:15,709 --> 01:38:12,929
footage it's very small it's not the

2238
01:38:19,580 --> 01:38:15,719
whole thing it's an important part it's

2239
01:38:23,569 --> 01:38:19,590
when an object accelerates away it is

2240
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:23,579
true and real footage of this AAV

2241
01:38:27,049 --> 01:38:25,679
anomalous aerial vehicle as the

2242
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:27,059
intelligence community calls them which

2243
01:38:31,549 --> 01:38:28,530
is a term that I kept secret for many

2244
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,559
years because it helps me in FOIA and

2245
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,840
that sort of thing because things are

2246
01:38:39,430 --> 01:38:35,760
termed differently so they're harder to

2247
01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:39,440
search for but yeah there are multiple

2248
01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:41,940
streams and I've actually talked with

2249
01:38:47,149 --> 01:38:45,449
some of the people that were inside what

2250
01:38:48,979 --> 01:38:47,159
they call well if I don't if they called

2251
01:38:52,490 --> 01:38:48,989
the vault but it's where all the command

2252
01:38:55,700 --> 01:38:52,500
and communications work out of and there

2253
01:38:58,100 --> 01:38:55,710
was a showing let's say a little viewing

2254
01:39:02,060 --> 01:38:58,110
of some of the footage that came back

2255
01:39:04,640 --> 01:39:02,070
that day interesting now you said did

2256
01:39:07,279 --> 01:39:04,650
you say this was closed out in 2007 or

2257
01:39:08,839 --> 01:39:07,289
something along those lines no no what

2258
01:39:10,580 --> 01:39:08,849
I'm telling you is something that is not

2259
01:39:13,819 --> 01:39:10,590
really that is not in the public realm

2260
01:39:17,330 --> 01:39:13,829
but it is in fact true that there was an

2261
01:39:20,629 --> 01:39:17,340
intelligence study done in 2007 where

2262
01:39:24,529 --> 01:39:20,639
they did an in-depth study of what

2263
01:39:26,270 --> 01:39:24,539
happened on those days and then that

2264
01:39:29,419 --> 01:39:26,280
information was wrapped it up and

2265
01:39:32,089 --> 01:39:29,429
classified oh so so if this is

2266
01:39:35,419 --> 01:39:32,099
classified are they able to talk to you

2267
01:39:38,359 --> 01:39:35,429
about what they saw so there's there's a

2268
01:39:40,100 --> 01:39:38,369
big difference of certain details that

2269
01:39:42,979 --> 01:39:40,110
you know that are classified and

2270
01:39:46,069 --> 01:39:42,989
obviously no one is telling me anything

2271
01:39:49,250 --> 01:39:46,079
that they shouldn't be hmm but if you

2272
01:39:51,979 --> 01:39:49,260
just read the original article that came

2273
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:51,989
out right that's a description of what

2274
01:39:56,899 --> 01:39:53,730
happened on that day

2275
01:39:58,779 --> 01:39:56,909
so everything was really there for you

2276
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:58,789
to look at there are even some

2277
01:40:02,569 --> 01:40:00,960
inaccuracies in that a little bit I mean

2278
01:40:05,629 --> 01:40:02,579
nothing is perfect when you write it

2279
01:40:08,450 --> 01:40:05,639
down but that information is already out

2280
01:40:12,890 --> 01:40:08,460
there so nobody is breaking

2281
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:12,900
code you know by talking to me and

2282
01:40:20,210 --> 01:40:16,290
that's very important that I make sure

2283
01:40:23,180 --> 01:40:20,220
that is clear but people are and have

2284
01:40:26,300 --> 01:40:23,190
come forward to tell me what happened to

2285
01:40:30,680 --> 01:40:26,310
them on that day from radar Tech's all

2286
01:40:33,230 --> 01:40:30,690
the way down to people that simply were

2287
01:40:36,050 --> 01:40:33,240
private friends with some of the people

2288
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:36,060
in command at that time so I'm getting

2289
01:40:43,310 --> 01:40:40,890
it from many angles well alright well

2290
01:40:45,260 --> 01:40:43,320
this is really something so I I didn't

2291
01:40:48,140 --> 01:40:45,270
want to miss you know we only have about

2292
01:40:51,140 --> 01:40:48,150
oh I don't know maybe 20 minutes left

2293
01:40:53,540 --> 01:40:51,150
also I do want to say if anyone does

2294
01:40:58,430 --> 01:40:53,550
want to call in you're welcome to call

2295
01:41:04,610 --> 01:40:58,440
in and ask Jeremy a question but that

2296
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:04,620
number is 603 967 403 oh I also put it

2297
01:41:10,670 --> 01:41:09,090
in chat because we can if someone wants

2298
01:41:13,700 --> 01:41:10,680
to call in and talk more about that I

2299
01:41:15,380 --> 01:41:13,710
think that's a fantastic case and let me

2300
01:41:17,660 --> 01:41:15,390
just ask you this one more thing about

2301
01:41:19,210 --> 01:41:17,670
it before we move on is this something

2302
01:41:23,420 --> 01:41:19,220
you're thinking about doing another

2303
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:23,430
documentary on you know I I don't think

2304
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:25,530
so because it you know when you get into

2305
01:41:29,150 --> 01:41:27,510
these government cases that they're very

2306
01:41:32,030 --> 01:41:29,160
important but there are so many

2307
01:41:34,190 --> 01:41:32,040
restrictions on it I wouldn't want to

2308
01:41:35,930 --> 01:41:34,200
jeopardize anybody's you know personal

2309
01:41:38,620 --> 01:41:35,940
careers or maybe they're out of the

2310
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:38,630
military and they still need their their

2311
01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:40,530
clearances or maybe they're out of the

2312
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:41,940
military and they just don't want this

2313
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:44,100
disrupting their life so no I don't need

2314
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:45,600
putting people on a camera for this is

2315
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:48,600
the best idea although you never know it

2316
01:41:54,530 --> 01:41:51,360
might happen what I want for this case

2317
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:54,540
is I want to be able to tell everything

2318
01:41:59,210 --> 01:41:56,730
that I know when I'm told it's okay to

2319
01:42:01,550 --> 01:41:59,220
do so by the people that it would have

2320
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:01,560
facted so if I can do that I've been

2321
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:02,970
accumulating the information and the

2322
01:42:07,550 --> 01:42:05,250
data on this for quite some time great

2323
01:42:09,620 --> 01:42:07,560
if I can't do it then I'm gonna

2324
01:42:11,930 --> 01:42:09,630
encourage all of these witnesses this

2325
01:42:13,460 --> 01:42:11,940
whole network of people that I've built

2326
01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:13,470
over the years and I'm going to

2327
01:42:18,110 --> 01:42:14,790
encourage them to talk with somebody who

2328
01:42:19,580 --> 01:42:18,120
can give them shielding or help them to

2329
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:19,590
get these things Declassified which

2330
01:42:24,170 --> 01:42:22,260
would be Lou and Tom's group

2331
01:42:27,650 --> 01:42:24,180
you know I'm very optimistic they'll

2332
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:27,660
have more effect that I will just one

2333
01:42:32,090 --> 01:42:29,970
more question about this in the area of

2334
01:42:33,950 --> 01:42:32,100
San Diego where this was happening where

2335
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:33,960
they actually saw some type of docking

2336
01:42:39,980 --> 01:42:37,410
going on underwater has that area been

2337
01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:39,990
explored you know though through sonar

2338
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:42,900
or anything that you're aware of well

2339
01:42:48,980 --> 01:42:44,730
yeah I just want to be clear so what

2340
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:48,990
they didn't witness let's say let's keep

2341
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:50,970
to the story that is public in the sense

2342
01:42:55,790 --> 01:42:53,400
that they saw these what I'm calling a

2343
01:42:58,490 --> 01:42:55,800
AVS and almost aerial vehicles look like

2344
01:43:00,470 --> 01:42:58,500
tic tacs dropping in from 80,000 feet to

2345
01:43:03,710 --> 01:43:00,480
50 feet above the water and then

2346
01:43:05,660 --> 01:43:03,720
hovering over a churning circle which I

2347
01:43:07,430 --> 01:43:05,670
personally you know got the first time

2348
01:43:10,460 --> 01:43:07,440
report of you know what was under the

2349
01:43:12,010 --> 01:43:10,470
water visually but they weren't docking

2350
01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:12,020
with it under the water was hovering

2351
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:15,000
like that above the water but yes on the

2352
01:43:20,930 --> 01:43:18,330
day of those events they did try with

2353
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:20,940
the submarines to ping for objects in

2354
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:24,650
that area and turned up with nothing oh

2355
01:43:34,010 --> 01:43:27,930
well that's all just really fascinating

2356
01:43:37,310 --> 01:43:34,020
so okay let's go on to Bob Lazar you

2357
01:43:40,820 --> 01:43:37,320
know a lot of people and well I'm sort

2358
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:40,830
of on the fence with Bob Lazar a lot and

2359
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:42,930
I know you've interviewed him he looked

2360
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:45,570
in his eyes and you've talked to him I

2361
01:43:50,750 --> 01:43:48,570
respect I highly respect George Knapp I

2362
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:50,760
think he's actually one of the best

2363
01:43:58,130 --> 01:43:53,280
people that will talk about this subject

2364
01:44:03,620 --> 01:43:58,140
out there and George is you know behind

2365
01:44:06,140 --> 01:44:03,630
him 100% what where do you stand well

2366
01:44:09,650 --> 01:44:06,150
first of all you should question Bob

2367
01:44:12,230 --> 01:44:09,660
Lazar Bob tells you to do that so in my

2368
01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:12,240
short film that actually made free the

2369
01:44:17,450 --> 01:44:14,040
20 minutes short on Bob Lazar is now

2370
01:44:18,770 --> 01:44:17,460
free on my website and I did that

2371
01:44:22,610 --> 01:44:18,780
because I want people to get prepared

2372
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:22,620
for what we're about to unleash so yes

2373
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:27,330
George brought Bob forward in 1989 and

2374
01:44:32,660 --> 01:44:30,330
Bob did so to save his own hide right

2375
01:44:35,090 --> 01:44:32,670
now if you believe him or not

2376
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:35,100
Bob is telling you if you don't believe

2377
01:44:38,089 --> 01:44:36,090
him

2378
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:38,099
he understands because he is not

2379
01:44:45,530 --> 01:44:41,040
providing you with ample proof he has

2380
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:45,540
tried but can't so scientifically you

2381
01:44:50,330 --> 01:44:47,489
shouldn't believe him until he can

2382
01:44:53,180 --> 01:44:50,340
provide you with that proof and in fact

2383
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:53,190
if you don't believe him spread the word

2384
01:44:58,129 --> 01:44:54,960
and pass it on because this has only

2385
01:45:00,859 --> 01:44:58,139
caused hell in his life personally I

2386
01:45:02,540 --> 01:45:00,869
mean he was rated by the FBI

2387
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:02,550
back in New Mexico and there were

2388
01:45:07,850 --> 01:45:04,679
further events after that I mean he's

2389
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:07,860
had issues so the UFO field has done

2390
01:45:12,830 --> 01:45:11,130
nothing good for Bob Lazar so I don't

2391
01:45:14,540 --> 01:45:12,840
think he minds at all that you're on the

2392
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:14,550
fence he might say you should get over

2393
01:45:19,939 --> 01:45:15,810
to the other side of the fence and pass

2394
01:45:22,970 --> 01:45:19,949
the word on but but after all these

2395
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,980
years after George kind of twisting his

2396
01:45:26,540 --> 01:45:24,719
arm and getting five minutes of footage

2397
01:45:29,060 --> 01:45:26,550
here thirty minutes of footage there I

2398
01:45:30,770 --> 01:45:29,070
mean what is the total amount of footage

2399
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:30,780
and remember this is just footage this

2400
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:32,310
isn't sitting down having dinner with

2401
01:45:36,109 --> 01:45:34,290
somebody seeing how they interact with

2402
01:45:38,930 --> 01:45:36,119
their wife and their mom and their

2403
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:38,940
animals and their friends and looking

2404
01:45:42,890 --> 01:45:40,650
into someone's personal life this is

2405
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:42,900
just someone on a screen on YouTube

2406
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:46,170
right what does the public have to judge

2407
01:45:51,229 --> 01:45:48,810
Bob's case from they have about three

2408
01:45:54,979 --> 01:45:51,239
hours of footage in total that would be

2409
01:45:57,620 --> 01:45:54,989
just about it well I can very happily

2410
01:46:00,320 --> 01:45:57,630
tell you that after three hours we broke

2411
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:00,330
the record and I spent seven days and

2412
01:46:04,220 --> 01:46:02,880
seven nights with Bob and then after

2413
01:46:07,100 --> 01:46:04,230
that I've done a whole bunch of

2414
01:46:10,339 --> 01:46:07,110
continuous filming going deep into every

2415
01:46:13,250 --> 01:46:10,349
aspect of his life authorized he's

2416
01:46:15,410 --> 01:46:13,260
allowing me to do this I mean it's no

2417
01:46:19,010 --> 01:46:15,420
secret you know we are friendly Bob and

2418
01:46:22,370 --> 01:46:19,020
I we have a a friendship so over all

2419
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:22,380
those years I was able to talk with him

2420
01:46:27,890 --> 01:46:25,050
and and he says okay you know I trust

2421
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:27,900
you I like your films I think that you

2422
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:29,489
know the only one restriction you put on

2423
01:46:33,890 --> 01:46:31,920
me the one restriction Bob Lazar put on

2424
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:33,900
mine he doesn't want anything for it the

2425
01:46:42,140 --> 01:46:37,730
one restriction he says just don't lie

2426
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:42,150
just don't twist the truth as long as

2427
01:46:46,729 --> 01:46:44,250
you just tell the truth that's all I

2428
01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:46,739
want and that's coming from Bob Lazar

2429
01:46:49,820 --> 01:46:49,380
directly so Bob really doesn't have

2430
01:46:51,980 --> 01:46:49,830
anything

2431
01:46:54,740 --> 01:46:51,990
hide it's more that he hasn't made

2432
01:46:56,750 --> 01:46:54,750
himself available in order for people to

2433
01:46:59,000 --> 01:46:56,760
know who he is and it's easy to dismiss

2434
01:47:01,250 --> 01:46:59,010
somebody if you don't know the content

2435
01:47:03,770 --> 01:47:01,260
of their character and who they are so I

2436
01:47:06,680 --> 01:47:03,780
can't blame anybody you should you

2437
01:47:08,810 --> 01:47:06,690
should doubt the Bob Lazar story but

2438
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:08,820
hopefully my film will take a

2439
01:47:13,580 --> 01:47:11,010
perspective that allows you to decide

2440
01:47:15,170 --> 01:47:13,590
for yourself because in my films I never

2441
01:47:16,780 --> 01:47:15,180
tell you what to what to think I just

2442
01:47:22,460 --> 01:47:16,790
show you what's in front of my camera

2443
01:47:25,730 --> 01:47:22,470
it's funny I I had knew this guy in the

2444
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:25,740
antique business years ago and we were

2445
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:27,360
chatting one day this was a few years

2446
01:47:32,030 --> 01:47:30,810
ago and I said something about I got up

2447
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:32,040
the courage to tell him that I was doing

2448
01:47:36,140 --> 01:47:34,320
a show honey follows and he goes well

2449
01:47:36,860 --> 01:47:36,150
what about Bob Lazar and I was like

2450
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:36,870
shocked

2451
01:47:42,770 --> 01:47:40,110
I see yep that's I had no idea he knew

2452
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:42,780
anything about anything and he said he

2453
01:47:47,630 --> 01:47:45,810
goes I think Bob Lazar is 100% authentic

2454
01:47:49,090 --> 01:47:47,640
and that the government just wiped

2455
01:47:51,740 --> 01:47:49,100
everything out so he's been following

2456
01:47:53,570 --> 01:47:51,750
not really the UFO field that's the

2457
01:47:56,150 --> 01:47:53,580
whole Bob Lazar story which i think is

2458
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:56,160
fascinating two points on what you just

2459
01:48:01,310 --> 01:47:58,260
said are I think are really important to

2460
01:48:03,260 --> 01:48:01,320
mention so one is I have found through

2461
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:03,270
my work in making this documentary on

2462
01:48:08,510 --> 01:48:07,410
Bob that the closer people are to him

2463
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:08,520
personally

2464
01:48:17,240 --> 01:48:13,530
the more they believe and know his story

2465
01:48:20,810 --> 01:48:17,250
to be true so the people that know him

2466
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:20,820
best are telling me you got to

2467
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:23,850
understand Bob and if he tells the truth

2468
01:48:27,890 --> 01:48:26,250
about everything then then is he telling

2469
01:48:30,260 --> 01:48:27,900
you the truth about UFOs you have to

2470
01:48:31,580 --> 01:48:30,270
know who Bob is to judge his UFO story I

2471
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:31,590
just found that so interesting it's the

2472
01:48:36,290 --> 01:48:34,710
people that that have never met him then

2473
01:48:38,180 --> 01:48:36,300
I've just seen that you know the footage

2474
01:48:41,180 --> 01:48:38,190
online that the thankfully George Knapp

2475
01:48:43,340 --> 01:48:41,190
was able to put out there the harshest

2476
01:48:46,010 --> 01:48:43,350
critics but they have done the littlest

2477
01:48:47,900 --> 01:48:46,020
and the the smallest research on who Bob

2478
01:48:50,090 --> 01:48:47,910
is as a person and then you have the

2479
01:48:52,430 --> 01:48:50,100
people closest to him and to them

2480
01:48:54,380 --> 01:48:52,440
they're just you know he's just Bob but

2481
01:48:56,780 --> 01:48:54,390
they know Bob and they know when he's

2482
01:48:58,970 --> 01:48:56,790
telling the truth and he's telling me

2483
01:48:59,900 --> 01:48:58,980
he's telling you the truth but I think

2484
01:49:01,580 --> 01:48:59,910
that's something that you're gonna have

2485
01:49:03,200 --> 01:49:01,590
to come to on your own obviously and

2486
01:49:03,650 --> 01:49:03,210
then the second thing about what you

2487
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:03,660
said

2488
01:49:13,220 --> 01:49:09,450
it's so interesting Bob Lazar is huge

2489
01:49:15,650 --> 01:49:13,230
his name is huge everybody knows if you

2490
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:15,660
scream in Japan in a room of a hundred

2491
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:17,610
people Bob Lazar who knows them you will

2492
01:49:22,700 --> 01:49:19,800
get hands raised you do that anywhere in

2493
01:49:24,110 --> 01:49:22,710
the world I mean it's like Elvis you

2494
01:49:25,790 --> 01:49:24,120
know it's like somebody finds Elvis

2495
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:25,800
alive and is able to capture him on

2496
01:49:31,970 --> 01:49:28,050
camera right now I mean it's it's wild

2497
01:49:33,620 --> 01:49:31,980
man he changed the landscape of UFOs and

2498
01:49:37,970 --> 01:49:33,630
our understanding he's been telling you

2499
01:49:40,130 --> 01:49:37,980
the same story for almost 30 years just

2500
01:49:42,740 --> 01:49:40,140
because he can't prove the entirety of

2501
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:42,750
his story doesn't mean it's not true and

2502
01:49:50,710 --> 01:49:47,130
in fact most of what Bob has said a lot

2503
01:49:54,740 --> 01:49:50,720
of it actually we've been able to verify

2504
01:49:57,080 --> 01:49:54,750
s4 that is a real sight off of area 51

2505
01:49:58,970 --> 01:49:57,090
at for pou slake I have personally

2506
01:50:01,460 --> 01:49:58,980
confirmed that this will be off the

2507
01:50:03,740 --> 01:50:01,470
record like nothing I can ever tell you

2508
01:50:05,210 --> 01:50:03,750
how but you know George Knapp confirmed

2509
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:05,220
it publicly through a public affairs

2510
01:50:09,830 --> 01:50:06,690
officer in 1989

2511
01:50:11,420 --> 01:50:09,840
how did Bob know how did Bob know that

2512
01:50:14,870 --> 01:50:11,430
there was going to be a secret test

2513
01:50:19,580 --> 01:50:14,880
flight of a flying saucer over Papoose

2514
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:19,590
Lake in 1989 the exact time on three

2515
01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:22,320
different occasions bringing friends and

2516
01:50:27,500 --> 01:50:25,380
they filmed it people cannot get around

2517
01:50:29,810 --> 01:50:27,510
that how did how did we know about the

2518
01:50:32,900 --> 01:50:29,820
OSI and the OSI doing the security

2519
01:50:35,900 --> 01:50:32,910
clearances for the area 51 and sub-base

2520
01:50:38,750 --> 01:50:35,910
you know a few areas for as well you

2521
01:50:40,910 --> 01:50:38,760
know all of this element 115 was always

2522
01:50:43,820 --> 01:50:40,920
theorized right you know when they were

2523
01:50:47,120 --> 01:50:43,830
fabricating element 115 when that was

2524
01:50:48,620 --> 01:50:47,130
actually being done for a year as they

2525
01:50:50,570 --> 01:50:48,630
were working on it they were in

2526
01:50:52,790 --> 01:50:50,580
correspondence via email and telephone

2527
01:51:01,670 --> 01:50:52,800
with Bob Lazar now why would they call

2528
01:51:04,430 --> 01:51:01,680
him G Wow so let's see you found the one

2529
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:04,440
of the biggest questions about Bob Lazar

2530
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:07,770
is his education right how did he land

2531
01:51:14,330 --> 01:51:11,130
in that position with an education that

2532
01:51:17,569 --> 01:51:14,340
can't be confirmed how did he land at

2533
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:17,579
Los Alamos with an education

2534
01:51:21,949 --> 01:51:19,530
be confirmed he must have had schooling

2535
01:51:24,859 --> 01:51:21,959
to get a job working at the maison

2536
01:51:27,319 --> 01:51:24,869
facility the particle accelerator at Los

2537
01:51:29,689 --> 01:51:27,329
Alamos which by the way despite the

2538
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:29,699
rolling over and everybody's grave Stan

2539
01:51:33,859 --> 01:51:32,010
Freeman you're wrong and you know you're

2540
01:51:36,020 --> 01:51:33,869
wrong and you keep lying to the public

2541
01:51:38,089 --> 01:51:36,030
you know he keeps trying to minimize

2542
01:51:40,449 --> 01:51:38,099
Bob's character he keeps trying to say

2543
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:40,459
oh he was a janitor maybe a

2544
01:51:45,770 --> 01:51:43,199
subcontractor everybody at Los Alamos

2545
01:51:51,020 --> 01:51:45,780
most people are subcontractor yes so

2546
01:51:52,399 --> 01:51:51,030
guess what I found one I found a one of

2547
01:51:53,869 --> 01:51:52,409
the scientists that was working out

2548
01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:53,879
there I verified his credentials I

2549
01:51:58,339 --> 01:51:56,249
physically have the papers showing he

2550
01:52:00,319 --> 01:51:58,349
was there at that time he also worked at

2551
01:52:02,810 --> 01:52:00,329
China Lake Lawrence Livermore Los Alamos

2552
01:52:05,060 --> 01:52:02,820
I all his contracts and in because he

2553
01:52:06,349 --> 01:52:05,070
doesn't depend solely on it now he came

2554
01:52:08,329 --> 01:52:06,359
forward to me I mean I kind of had to

2555
01:52:11,629 --> 01:52:08,339
hunt him down but I found him you talk

2556
01:52:13,459 --> 01:52:11,639
about Robert Kringle yeah rub Robert

2557
01:52:16,810 --> 01:52:13,469
Crangle yeah and you know the story I

2558
01:52:19,729 --> 01:52:16,820
found him and he straight up 100% I

2559
01:52:22,219 --> 01:52:19,739
remember Bob Lazar he was the physicist

2560
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:22,229
with the jet car and yes he was in

2561
01:52:25,939 --> 01:52:24,300
security briefings with me he laughed

2562
01:52:28,009 --> 01:52:25,949
what I said so he's not the concession

2563
01:52:30,379 --> 01:52:28,019
stand salesman or the janitor he laughs

2564
01:52:31,639 --> 01:52:30,389
no he's a physicist and then there go

2565
01:52:34,129 --> 01:52:31,649
stand for him and calling him up

2566
01:52:35,779 --> 01:52:34,139
harassing him days later trying to twist

2567
01:52:37,609 --> 01:52:35,789
his words and he called me back who's

2568
01:52:39,020 --> 01:52:37,619
this guy trying to twist my words and

2569
01:52:42,379 --> 01:52:39,030
I'm like oh that's what he does that's

2570
01:52:46,939 --> 01:52:42,389
Stan so basically with the Lazar case

2571
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:46,949
right we are sure Bob worked at Los

2572
01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:49,050
Alamos that is verified I mean I've got

2573
01:52:53,060 --> 01:52:50,729
things I can't even put public but the

2574
01:52:55,369 --> 01:52:53,070
because HEPA laws the guy that digitized

2575
01:52:57,739 --> 01:52:55,379
his medical files called me up so I've

2576
01:52:59,929 --> 01:52:57,749
got all these points of data I hope to

2577
01:53:02,689 --> 01:52:59,939
put them into the film so now we know

2578
01:53:06,349 --> 01:53:02,699
Bob did work in scientific capacity as a

2579
01:53:08,750 --> 01:53:06,359
business at Los Alamos that is totally

2580
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:08,760
unarguable in fact I have footage of him

2581
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:10,649
in Los Alamos so sorry everybody

2582
01:53:13,969 --> 01:53:12,570
that's going in the film all your dreams

2583
01:53:15,949 --> 01:53:13,979
will be shattered if you think he didn't

2584
01:53:18,619 --> 01:53:15,959
work there but how did he get to Los

2585
01:53:19,790 --> 01:53:18,629
Alamos with an unconcerned education I

2586
01:53:21,829 --> 01:53:19,800
can't answer that

2587
01:53:24,889 --> 01:53:21,839
I don't know that's always been a

2588
01:53:27,069 --> 01:53:24,899
problem for me and for George but what

2589
01:53:30,049 --> 01:53:27,079
George said and I agree with him

2590
01:53:31,039 --> 01:53:30,059
the point was always Los Alamos if we

2591
01:53:33,229 --> 01:53:31,049
can prove

2592
01:53:36,169 --> 01:53:33,239
he went to Los Alamos then it doesn't

2593
01:53:38,619 --> 01:53:36,179
matter if he was home-schooled that

2594
01:53:41,539 --> 01:53:38,629
would alley-oop him and set him up for

2595
01:53:44,089 --> 01:53:41,549
potentially being picked up to work at

2596
01:53:49,250 --> 01:53:44,099
the sub-base of area 51 on the Nellis

2597
01:53:52,879 --> 01:53:49,260
range so if we can't prove his education

2598
01:53:54,799 --> 01:53:52,889
which we can't I mean to it I'm still

2599
01:53:58,159 --> 01:53:54,809
working on that okay I'm still working

2600
01:54:01,959 --> 01:53:58,169
on it but even if I can't prove that

2601
01:54:05,509 --> 01:54:01,969
does that discount the in-your-face

2602
01:54:08,659 --> 01:54:05,519
other elements of this case does that

2603
01:54:10,609 --> 01:54:08,669
discount he knew where the saucer was

2604
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:10,619
coming up that he knew about a secret

2605
01:54:15,169 --> 01:54:12,719
base that was admitted to to George

2606
01:54:18,169 --> 01:54:15,179
Knapp but is now covered up again it

2607
01:54:21,139 --> 01:54:18,179
doesn't negate the other things that we

2608
01:54:24,259 --> 01:54:21,149
could prove and that's what's important

2609
01:54:27,079 --> 01:54:24,269
so we'll see I don't know if his

2610
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:27,089
education will ever be proved and I just

2611
01:54:33,259 --> 01:54:30,449
don't know about his education but again

2612
01:54:35,209 --> 01:54:33,269
I don't care if he was home-schooled if

2613
01:54:38,029 --> 01:54:35,219
I can prove he was working at Los Alamos

2614
01:54:40,939 --> 01:54:38,039
on the on the at the maison facility at

2615
01:54:42,500 --> 01:54:40,949
the particle accelerator and then was

2616
01:54:44,779 --> 01:54:42,510
picked up to work in a government

2617
01:54:48,019 --> 01:54:44,789
program and again remember when he went

2618
01:54:50,509 --> 01:54:48,029
to court the judge was trying to get his

2619
01:54:52,729 --> 01:54:50,519
employment records and the judge was

2620
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:52,739
told even when a senator asked for bob

2621
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:55,199
lazar employment records they didn't say

2622
01:55:00,500 --> 01:54:57,209
we don't have them

2623
01:55:04,359 --> 01:55:00,510
they said you do not have a need to now

2624
01:55:07,579 --> 01:55:04,369
yeah well I was at federal federal court

2625
01:55:09,679 --> 01:55:07,589
yeah I was out there I lived with my

2626
01:55:13,519 --> 01:55:09,689
sister and brother-in-law he worked at

2627
01:55:16,369 --> 01:55:13,529
the lab and you know there's so many

2628
01:55:18,679 --> 01:55:16,379
people that work there and you write a

2629
01:55:20,329 --> 01:55:18,689
lot of the more contractors so that's

2630
01:55:21,619 --> 01:55:20,339
really amazing you were able to find

2631
01:55:23,149 --> 01:55:21,629
someone that remembered him

2632
01:55:25,129 --> 01:55:23,159
were there anyone this was another

2633
01:55:27,259 --> 01:55:25,139
question that someone sent in were there

2634
01:55:30,889 --> 01:55:27,269
any additional people at Los Alamos that

2635
01:55:33,469 --> 01:55:30,899
you found are tons reruns yeah but

2636
01:55:35,899 --> 01:55:33,479
here's the deal who's gonna go on record

2637
01:55:36,949 --> 01:55:35,909
with me who's gonna go on camera I mean

2638
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:36,959
look and I'm not the only one

2639
01:55:41,509 --> 01:55:38,729
George has talked to a lot of his

2640
01:55:43,339 --> 01:55:41,519
colleagues and and actually one of his

2641
01:55:44,780 --> 01:55:43,349
friends Joe van and Eddie came out and

2642
01:55:48,230 --> 01:55:44,790
wrote in public forums

2643
01:55:50,420 --> 01:55:48,240
al Bob you know worked there and I guess

2644
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:50,430
the definitive thing is I have footage

2645
01:55:54,260 --> 01:55:52,800
of Bob walking all around the base on

2646
01:55:58,580 --> 01:55:54,270
facility so why don't I just put that in

2647
01:55:59,690 --> 01:55:58,590
the film and shut everybody out right

2648
01:56:03,830 --> 01:55:59,700
yeah

2649
01:56:06,260 --> 01:56:03,840
public as of yet so it's like almost

2650
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:06,270
like you know his defensive miss to it

2651
01:56:10,160 --> 01:56:07,590
which I understand it and his need for

2652
01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:10,170
privacy he hasn't made it easy to

2653
01:56:15,110 --> 01:56:12,570
believe him but that's kind of because

2654
01:56:17,900 --> 01:56:15,120
he doesn't care or he didn't care I

2655
01:56:19,100 --> 01:56:17,910
don't know that he cares but at the time

2656
01:56:21,530 --> 01:56:19,110
he didn't he was just doing it to save

2657
01:56:23,510 --> 01:56:21,540
his own hide he was under attack he was

2658
01:56:24,980 --> 01:56:23,520
under threat any money that was part of

2659
01:56:27,740 --> 01:56:24,990
his life at that time which I've

2660
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:27,750
interviewed many now on camera one of

2661
01:56:33,800 --> 01:56:31,050
his best friends they all saw it one of

2662
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:33,810
the guys that was tasked with harassing

2663
01:56:39,230 --> 01:56:36,000
George Knapp and tapping their phones

2664
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:39,240
and following Bob George ran into one of

2665
01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:41,730
the guys much later in life the guy kind

2666
01:56:47,450 --> 01:56:44,760
of apologized Wow

2667
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:47,460
yes well when will this film do you have

2668
01:56:52,700 --> 01:56:49,650
an idea when it will be released yeah

2669
01:56:55,910 --> 01:56:52,710
man I am jamming on this I got 12 months

2670
01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:55,920
I I'm doing this this is a 2018 film

2671
01:57:00,320 --> 01:56:57,540
this documentary the definitive

2672
01:57:03,410 --> 01:57:00,330
documentary on Bob Lazar so unless

2673
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:03,420
there's something I don't see it will be

2674
01:57:10,130 --> 01:57:06,450
done in 2018 you can you can bank on

2675
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:10,140
that well and that that's great now

2676
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:12,090
there was one other question about the

2677
01:57:16,490 --> 01:57:14,820
skinwalker ranch is there something

2678
01:57:18,820 --> 01:57:16,500
you're doing on that as well I know I

2679
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:18,830
saw something on your website about that

2680
01:57:25,130 --> 01:57:22,080
yeah absolutely so as you all know

2681
01:57:27,980 --> 01:57:25,140
George Knapp and colum Kelleher lead

2682
01:57:30,010 --> 01:57:27,990
scientists for knids when Bigelow was

2683
01:57:32,630 --> 01:57:30,020
running that organization to study

2684
01:57:35,330 --> 01:57:32,640
skinwalker ranch and the whole territory

2685
01:57:37,310 --> 01:57:35,340
there within the Uintah Basin including

2686
01:57:38,810 --> 01:57:37,320
Fort de Shane when they had seven

2687
01:57:41,570 --> 01:57:38,820
scientists for seven years the most

2688
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:41,580
documented scientifically paranormal

2689
01:57:48,350 --> 01:57:45,330
hotspot in history they wrote a book

2690
01:57:51,770 --> 01:57:48,360
honkin skinwalker calm I made a website

2691
01:57:54,710 --> 01:57:51,780
called hunt the skinwalker calm and

2692
01:57:57,560 --> 01:57:54,720
that's separate than my primary website

2693
01:57:58,670 --> 01:57:57,570
which is extraordinary beliefs calm but

2694
01:58:01,520 --> 01:57:58,680
I did that specific

2695
01:58:02,750 --> 01:58:01,530
for this project and this project is the

2696
01:58:05,330 --> 01:58:02,760
first time in history that the you

2697
01:58:08,930 --> 01:58:05,340
nation the tribal elders allowed us to

2698
01:58:11,660 --> 01:58:08,940
actually camp on the there on the land

2699
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:11,670
in the path of the skinwalker and we

2700
01:58:17,180 --> 01:58:13,650
were able to take footage and take it

2701
01:58:20,060 --> 01:58:17,190
off of the ute nation which is a

2702
01:58:21,950 --> 01:58:20,070
sovereign nation and yeah that's in

2703
01:58:24,530 --> 01:58:21,960
process and basically I'm just following

2704
01:58:26,540 --> 01:58:24,540
the footsteps of my mentor George and

2705
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:26,550
because of his book and because of his

2706
01:58:31,190 --> 01:58:28,170
demeanor and how he's taken the case

2707
01:58:33,110 --> 01:58:31,200
seriously for you know 25 years and he's

2708
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:33,120
kept his silence on a lot of things when

2709
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:35,130
it was under big load control which is

2710
01:58:39,290 --> 01:58:35,760
not anymore

2711
01:58:41,020 --> 01:58:39,300
ranchers soul you know right so so

2712
01:58:43,940 --> 01:58:41,030
basically yeah and we're doing that

2713
01:58:45,800 --> 01:58:43,950
we're documenting we're actively meeting

2714
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:45,810
with witnesses on a regular basis and

2715
01:58:51,440 --> 01:58:49,050
going out there and we have had access

2716
01:59:01,550 --> 01:58:51,450
to the ranch itself and that's wonderful

2717
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:01,560
but understand well hey that's it for

2718
01:59:06,920 --> 01:59:04,170
the end of the show so I encourage the

2719
01:59:09,140 --> 01:59:06,930
listener to check out patience 17 it's

2720
01:59:12,140 --> 01:59:09,150
on eye to eye tuna Amazon and a few

2721
01:59:15,620 --> 01:59:12,150
other places and your website is

2722
01:59:17,810 --> 01:59:15,630
extraordinary beliefs and is it calm yep

2723
01:59:20,510 --> 01:59:17,820
extraordinary beliefs cos what a great

2724
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:20,520
domain site that is thanks man

2725
01:59:24,890 --> 01:59:22,890
all right thanks so much Jeremy always a

2726
01:59:26,150 --> 01:59:24,900
pleasure thank you so much for having me

2727
01:59:27,950 --> 01:59:26,160
already have a great show I can't

2728
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:27,960
believe this is 6-year anniversary keep

2729
01:59:32,270 --> 01:59:29,970
it up man you're gonna learn a lot all

2730
01:59:34,510 --> 01:59:32,280
right all right you take care you too

2731
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:34,520
talk soon yeah all right bye-bye

2732
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:38,130
all right everyone so thank you so much

2733
01:59:44,990 --> 01:59:41,370
for hanging in there tonight and next

2734
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:45,000
week we have James McDonald he is gonna

2735
01:59:51,940 --> 01:59:47,610
be talking about the Betty and Barney

2736
01:59:55,130 --> 01:59:51,950
Hill case it should be interesting

2737
01:59:58,250 --> 01:59:55,140
unfortunately he's not buying it so it

2738
02:00:00,260 --> 01:59:58,260
would be an interesting show to hear his

2739
02:00:02,930 --> 02:00:00,270
side and what he has to say about it I

2740
02:00:05,540 --> 02:00:02,940
do like to have skeptics on now and then

2741
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:05,550
so we can just hear their side of things

2742
02:00:10,730 --> 02:00:08,400
and their argument all right so I'll be

2743
02:00:12,040 --> 02:00:10,740
back next week at the same time thanks

2744
02:00:13,930 --> 02:00:12,050
so much for

2745
02:00:15,220 --> 02:00:13,940
tuning in and remember to keep your eyes

2746
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:15,230
to the sky

2747
02:00:20,610 --> 02:00:33,880
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